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A Procedural Guide to the Group Draw

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As we previously announced, the Worlds 2016 Group Draw Pools are based on MSI 2016’s results. In this article, we’ll be going into greater detail on how the groups are drawn from a procedural standpoint.

During the Group Draw Show on Saturday, September 10 at 11:00 AM PT, we’ll be holding the draw according to the rules and structure described below. 

The info in this post is pretty dense and technical, and much of it mimics the 2015 guide. It’s designed to give you a solid understanding of the mechanics of the draw process and a clear idea of what to expect during the live draw. The draw process is the same as it was in 2015, but with #1 LMS being promoted to Pool 1 and #1 EU being demoted to Pool 2 due to MSI standings, some of the invalid draw possibilities have changed. We’ve updated the invalid draw example to illustrate that difference.

Group Draw Structure

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Group Draw Rules

  • No group can have more than one team from the same region. So, for example, #1 CN and #2 CN cannot inhabit the same group.
  • Each group must have exactly one team from Pool 1
  • Each group must have exactly two teams from Pool 2
  • Each group must have exactly one team from Pool 3

Procedure

The draw begins with the seeds physically separated into three bowls by Pool. The groups are arranged in alphabetical order from left to right - A, B, C, and D. First, all of the seeds from Pool 1 are drawn randomly, then Pool 2, and finally Pool 3.

When a seed is drawn, it is placed into the next group available in alphabetical order so long as that would not render the draw invalid at any future point by preventing another seed from being placed in a valid spot. For example, if placing the next drawn seed into Group A would make it impossible to place a future seed without violating a rule, that seed would need to “skip” Group A and be placed in B, C, or D, depending on what spot is available - more on this later.

In Pool 2, each group must have one Pool 2 seed before any group has two Pool 2 seeds, unless doing so would create an invalid draw.

For example, imagine #2 CN has just been drawn as the first team from Pool 2, but #1 CN already occupies Group A. Because of rule #1 (no group can have more than one team from the same region), #2 CN cannot occupy Group A, and is placed in the next available group, Group B, which currently has space for Pool 2 teams and has no CN seeds.

Invalid Draws

Because seeds are drawn randomly and there are several rules governing where those seeds can go, there are a few situations we can run into in which a draw cannot be completed, rendering the draw “invalid”. The general procedure for avoiding invalid draws is the same year to year, although the scenarios in which invalid draws can arise varies depending on which seeds are in which pool every year. Below is an example specific to 2016.

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In the above example, there are two Pool 2 spots remaining (in Group C and D), two Pool 2 seeds that need to fill those spots (#3 CN and #2 EU), but Group D can’t accommodate either of those seeds because:

  • Group D already has #1 CN, so another CN seed cannot inhabit that group.
  • Group D already has #1 EU, so another EU seed cannot inhabit that group.

There are two ways to deal with situations like this. One would be to simply restart the draft until we avoid an invalid draw, but this could result in an infinite number of restarts and, since the show is live, isn’t realistic.

Alternatively, we could monitor the draw as it proceeds, and use a series of logical checks to identify when placement of a specific team would create an invalid draw down the road. If that happens (specifically before picks 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, and 15), we can move the team to the first available placement that would avoid the invalid draw.

To see an example of how one such check would work, let’s revisit the invalid draw example pictured above. In that example, we’re already at a point where the draw cannot be resolved. The problem arose when #2 NA was drawn - when #2 NA was placed into Group B (despite satisfying Rule #1), that left two teams (#3 CN and #2 EU) who could only fit into one spot - the third slot in Group C.

However, if we rewind to before Pick 10 (when #2 NA was drawn), we can see that it’s possible to anticipate and prevent this by placing #2 NA in a spot that would not create an invalid draw further along in the draft. What follows is the logic for deducing where #2 NA must go when drawn at Pick 10.

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In this example, exactly 1 CN and 1 EU team remain, and one of the 3 remaining groups already has both a CN and EU team. To avoid putting ourselves in an invalid draw, if the 10th overall pick is not a CN or EU team, it must be drawn into the next available group that contains both a CN and EU team. This means if we draw #2 NA next, it must go to Group D, which enables either #3 CN or #2 EU to be drawn into either Group B or C.

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If we had instead drawn #3 CN or #2 EU at Pick 10, that team would be placed in Group B. These kinds of checks ensure that the draw can proceed without the need to restart and will stay in compliance with the rules of the draw.

Conclusion

To see how the groups turn out, watch the Group Draw Show on September 10 at 11:00 AM PT. Keep your eyes on Lolesports to catch all the exciting Group Stage action starting on September 29.

 

Chris “RiotChopper” Hopper is one of the International Esports and League Operations Leads. His team is focused on the global development and operations of competitive League of Legends. Chopper is a sports fanatic who wins (almost) every Fantasy League among the Riot esports team and always cheers for his alma mater, Duke. Questions or want to chat about Magic: The Gathering? Reach out to him on Twitter via @RiotChopper.

31 Comments

DieShin11 votes

Shouldn't NA #3 seed be in Pool 2 because NA is 2nd place during MSI???

NeoDeimos6 votes

I've been waiting for this type of question to be answered for a while now. They did this last year too, where NA and EU #3 seeds were in pool C along with the IWC teams; as opposed to putting the Korean or Chinese #3 seeds or the LMS #2 seed into pool C instead. I don't remember Riot giving an explanation for this.

I'd like an actual reason, instead of meaningless opinion such as "well obv NA and EU are trash tier, they deserve the garbage pool). Some actual criteria that explains why teams are placed where they are. Determining Pool A by positioning at MSI was a good start, but let's finish the process... Plz Rito?

Something like:

  1. Statistically, EU and LMS performed worse than China, Korea, and NA at MSI 2016. Therefore, the lowest EU and LMS seed (3 and 2, respectively) are placed into pool C.
  2. NA and China performed worse than LMS, EU, and Korea at the 2015 World Championships. Therefore, the NA and China #3 seeds are in pool C.

Just something based on actual tournament experience, not "well they were a bad region previously, that's why they were put there in the first place, why change it now?"

HeartofDraco994 votes

I agree with most of how the system is set up now, but just like there is room for LMS and IWC to improve in the future, there needs to be room for EU and NA to improve in that same future. The fact that NA got 2nd at MSI should have put C9 in pool 2 and IMAY in pool 3. The setup from worlds 2015 ballparked the historical rankings, but going forward it needs to be flexible. I'm all for EU and NA having the option of losing their Pool 1 seed, but they should also be able to upgrade their 3rd seed.

Panman181 votes

This is a tough issue for riot to resolve since there are so few international league tournament to base rankings on. Since MSI is only a battle of first seeds, it seems arbitrary to base third seed rankings on MSI. (Just because a region's first seed is good, doesn't mean their 3rd seed is good). For ex. Imagine if SKT continued their losing streak at MSI, then SSG would be Pool 3 right now. That could result in a really imbalanced group. I guess they could choose Pool 3 region based on the performance of the worst team in the region at last year's Worlds?

p0psicles2 votes

That might be a nice addition to MSI in the future. The whole reason NA and EU got third seeds in the first place was the perception that Korea and China were better regions therefore they should get the higher seeds. International tournaments have shown us time and time again that Korea is the best region, but I don't see any reason why China should get preferential treatment.

Use a tournament like MSI to say the top 4 regions get first seeds and the top two regions get both their 2 and 3 in pool 2. That way Europe and NA can take them back from China/Korea if they play better.

Azlureon1 votes

Yes I've been wondering this since the results of MSI!!! If they are going to decide group seating using the tournament they should fully commit. NA placed 2nd and their 3rd seed should replace CN 3rd seed in group 2. The way they have it now even if NA, EU, or maybe even IWC gets 1st in MSI it seems they will always get their last seed in group 3, which is just dumb. If Korea had continued their losing streak would all their seeds just sit in group 2? That just doesn't even make sense.

HumidifiedGaming1 votes

How the hell do u play

DieShin1 votes

Didn't expect so many people to think the same :) Yeah pool 3 should have been CN#3 and EU#3 and the 2 IWC because LMS only has 2 seeds

TrollFan014 votes

I'm just sitting here waiting to find out what grour will be the Group of Death.

Chicago Cubs7 votes

EDG, SKT, G2, C9. My prediction for the greatest GoD ever.

GangerHrolf4 votes

That would be a truly terrifying group.

WatchDogs Legion2 votes

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That would be a truly terrifying group.

Not G2 tho

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

What do you mean ? This isn't the G2 from MSI.

NeoDeimos2 votes

What do you mean ? This isn't the G2 from MSI.

No, they're not. Statistically, this current version of G2 is even worse than that dreadful MSI team. Spring Split, G2 was 15-3 (83% win percentage) in the regular season. Summer Split regular season? 18-8 (64% win percentage). The Spring Split G2 roster could've gone 4-4 in the next 8 games, and still finish with a better game record.

iamleburk1 votes

I don't think it's very useful to go off of win percentages to rate teams. Otherwise we would be calling IMT the best NA team that's ever existed. Hell, I can turn that right back on you and say "G2 have never lost a Bo5". That is a 100% win percentage in Bo5s. That must mean they are some type of god, right?

Judge off of gameplay, not scoreboards. Not that G2 isn't weak, I just don't like the logic you use to rate them. I think they might surprise at worlds, but I don't expect them to go past quarters, same with splyce.

Distinguished3 votes

Truly a GoD to wonder but it isn't possible as EDG and G2 are both Number One seeds. Would have to swap one of them with either RNG or Ahq.

PainlessFiend4 votes

no this group could happen as g2 lost the pool 1 for EU, therefore placing EU'S #1 seed in pool 2

Pelletire2 votes

Actually, G2 is Europe number 1 seed, but Europe's number 1 seed is in pool 2. So it is technically possible to have EDG and G2 in the same group.

redfeenix1 votes

Why?

NeoDeimos2 votes

Why?

Um, did you even read the article above? Not only is it possible for G2 to be in a pool with another #1 seed, it's GUARANTEED to happen.

MeilinII1 votes

I'd say swap G2 with RNG, as EDG and RNG can't be in the same group because they're both Chinese teams, right?

iamleburk1 votes

TSM, RNG, SKT, SPY is also pretty nasty. Not as bad, but still pretty bad.

Grammar Police2 votes

All JarvanIV horses and all his men, couldn't put group select back together again

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

5 random days later after all the LCS/LPL etc games are played can you please go in detail about each team their combined KDA/players to watch/ casters thoughts on the group etc etc.

I feel like it will be like last year where one of the most important dates is just 3 random players mixing balls for 2 mins in a fish bowl pulling out a little piece of paper and that's it.

Like if the casters etc aren't going to go in to detail about the teams etc but instead when Worlds itself gets here we will instead have 20 casters talking over each other like baboons trying to speak about what could have been discussed during the Draw.

Random player picks name " reads CLG" take 2-3 mins talking about the team and their strengths and weaknesses or something!

If the whole thing is just a huge breeze why not just have the draw 1 day later after the IMT and C9 games were done but it's 5 random days later so Riot must feel like it's important but year after year it feels like Riot just wants to go just get the draw over with. WTF.

Like I said this is very important and exciting and I would like to know about the other teams competing at Worlds and have the Riot employees discuss each teams chances at Worlds their journey to the BIG DANCE.

Instead we get some random guy on the board discussing the teams and when it came to IMAY and CLG his thoughts were " NAH JUST NAH" wow great insight and you pay that guy to do that BRILLIANT Article. Looks like we fans need to do Riot's job ourselves.

Ahri the Arden1 votes

so... will Froggren be allowed to draw???

he was the one who made the best groups on last worlds!

YaJpTpOg4C1 votes

Can't wait for the picks

HumidifiedGaming1 votes

how the duck do u play

HumidifiedGaming1 votes

Like Wtf

TrollFan011 votes

Group B and D are the groups of death. Oh boy lol*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*

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