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Alistar pulverizes his way through pro play

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Bulls aren't exactly known for their subtlety. They're usually mooing up a storm, ramming into stuff, and generally causing a ruckus. Sometimes, they even find themselves in a china shop, wrecking everything in sight. But on the Rift, a squishy back line is that china shop and Alistar is that bull. Since the beginning of the 2015 Summer Split, the Minotaur has been everywhere -- including many teams' ban lists. In fact, he was picked or banned in every single game in the North American LCS, China's LoL Pro League, and Champions Korea in the last week of play. In Europe, that number is 80%, while in Taiwan's League Master Series, it's 83%. It's undeniable: the cow is back and Pulverizing his way through the pro scene.

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Counter Logic Gaming's support Zaqueri "Aphromoo" Black gave us a cheeky summary of what Alistar can do, saying, "He's just really, really effective at being annoying to the enemy team." With the 70% damage reduction on his ultimate Unbreakable Will (R), Alistar becomes basically, well, unbreakable during teamfights. "You can't kill him in team fights when he pops his ulti, so he's doing his job as a front liner, but can also [crowd control] multiple people," says Aphromoo. That AoE crowd control is why Alistar is able to create so much havoc during team fights. And with team fights lasting so long in the current tank meta, he's able to cause even more. "Team fights are lasting 10-15 seconds. Alistar is able to last that long because of his ultimate," says Aphro. If a team were to bring a squishier support like Janna or Nami into a fight, they'd get blown up if they tried to stick around as long as the cow. "Alistar stays alive, so he'll get more rotations on the spells off," he says. All that survivability allows him to be extremely versatile in what he can pull off. Sure, he can engage with what Team Liquid support Alex "Xpecial" Chu calls a "mini Malphite ultimate," but he can also peel, catch out of position targets, or even just be a meat shield. Says Aphro, "If they're grouped up, you're looking for three to four man Pulverizes (Q). He's good at standing at the middle of all the tanks and blocking people. Or you look to make 'The Play.' If your job is to stop the LeBlanc, you keep Headbutting (W) her during the fight and Pulverizing anyone you can. If you're doing that, then you don't really have to peel. Or you can be the initiator and Headbutt-Pulverize a primary target, or anyone if your team can output enough damage." Basically, according to Gravity's Michael "Bunny FuFuu" Kurylo, "He does everything."

Back, Bull

Obviously, Alistar is a team fighting powerhouse, so keeping him down usually has to happen in the early stages of the game. Unfortunately for those looking to make steaks out of him, his laning phase is extremely safe. In fact, Xpecial started to pick him up as a way to deal with a lane dominant (and back then, brand new) support pick. "I first played him back in [the 2015 NA LCS Spring Split] Playoffs, and it was my counter to Nautilus," he says. "[Alistar has] a lot of sustain, so even poke champions can't do too well against him. It's impossible to all-in an Alistar because he has his ultimate." He says that the best ways to deal with an Alistar is with champions that combine poke with the ability to kite him around the map. "In lane, you have to play around him early," explains Xpecial. "For example, a Janna, a Bard, or a Kalista lane in general will be able to shut him down early." Even if he takes Triumphant Roar (E) for the healing capabilities at Level 1 to deal with the poke, he won't have the full combination of Headbutt-Pulverize. What's more, he can't carry games by himself. "As strong as Alistar is, and as much AOE CC that he has, he's not a support that can carry by just raw damage," says Xpecial. "He doesn't have any of that, so you're going to have to coordinate your team and CC correctly." Of course, on a pro team, that shouldn't be a problem -- but be careful if you're planning on pulling him out in Solo Queue. Will Alistar continue being a massive priority pick all across the world? Or will the rise of Bard, Kalista, and the occasional Janna manage to poke him out of lane? Make sure to keep your eye on Lolesports for more professional League of Legends from around the world.

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78 Comments

DukeTorus18 votes

"He's not a support that can carry by just raw damage... He doesn't have any of that, so you're going to have to coordinate your team and CC correctly."

Low Elo players in solo queue are the most uncoordinated there are in all of League. Hence why most people don't like to play support at low Elos--there aren't very many support champions that output the kind of damage you would need to carry, and even those that can are operating on a support's income and not their usual laning income.

It's rough to be a support at low Elo...

TEEMOcalypse3 votes

My Runes and masteries generate massive amounts of gold (i still have those 4 gold gen runes :/ ) So those plus my gold gen support item keep me up with the carry. when I take a ranged mage like Velkoz or Soraka I usually generate gold roughly 1.3 to 1.5 times faster than the carry because of my gold generating masteries on my supp mage. When i play supp, i only get behind if the lane is losing horribly. Thankfully, i dont usually lose lane when i supp

D I E G E1 votes

what does your rune and mastery page look like?

The Dark Lord7 votes

He's bronze two, does it really matter?

Raise The Gnar1 votes

In all honesty running GP10 Yellows are viable on certain supports. For me those supports are Janna, Nami, and Karma(for those who play Karma support) The reason they're viable is because those 3 champs have a pretty solid, and pretty safe lane phase to the point where you don't really need the armor. These champs also have ways to sustain any trade they might take with the enemy ADC, Janna and Karma have shield(and Karma's got mad dmg in her R+Q) and Nami's W trade very well because it heals you while dmging them if you use it correctly. And before anyone can give me shit even LemonNation likes to run GP10 yellows on Janna. I like to run em on Nami and Karma as well because they basically fill the same category of support as Janna.

Sin Avaritia3 votes

Lets say u have 3 gold gen quins. Dats 3 gold/10 sec. So u get like 18 gold per min. Well, u can get 1 tome every 25 min! how great!

Desthro3 votes

Herr, when CS scores skyrocket from bronze 2 to plat 2, you'll find that that is no longer the case. You just can't play a mage bot lane as support and expect to carry at the upper end. It happens, but not as often as you would like.

ParinoidPanda1 votes

You can......Just usually involves the ADC not being good enough to take their cs or kills and you taking them instead.

QQsha2 votes

Clearly, you don't know about the bullshit known as Vel'koz.

Kut Ku1 votes

It really is the absolute worst. I main support at low elo and i really wish teams knew what to do. I try to play with any of my gold or plat friends as much as possible because anything lower really sucks. No coordination and Ali is literally my favorite support, but whats the point when nobody else knows what to do with him

TacticalNukeInc1 votes

I main supp also. But Taric is my favorite. I understand what you mean that a lot of people don't have coordination. I have the issue of people saying "OMG another Duo Bot" But I was lucky enough to find a guy that is able to read what I was doing and follow up and after we started to use Curse Voice we always keep the other teams Bot under turret and losing cs while we have jg warded at all times and get the pinks when you have a Shaco Evelynn as there jg.

xGvPx1 votes

It's extremely hard to win trades on Alistar at any rank, though. You have to play exceptionally well or get the benefit of a great jungler gank until Alistar builds two defensive items. There are just too many good damaging supports out there, Leona etc., that punish Alistar's lack of tankiness early.

FeedTheBear1 votes

I've got a friend that carries low elo as Thresh without any difficulty.

linkmariobob1 votes

I've had no problem getting out of low elo twice while only supporting summoner 4

Roweks2 votes

No it's not. Just pick Annie or something and build full damage after your sightstone.

1731061 votes

I dont find this to be true, as a thresh main in b1, i find it very easy to carry when I am playing well. Hitting a hook is an obvious sign to go in, and u can save any out of position target(which happens a lot)

xJaehyuk1 votes

the thing you guys need to realize is that, it's really not viable to "main" something at low elo - just play a champ that can carry 1v9 (ie you have to be able to basically carry the game yourself) to get out then start maining roles around g3-2 and higher.

BrokEdToe4 votes

Trundle comin outta the jungle with a counter ult to Alistar = nom nom. Plus trundle can get real tanky with high dmg output. Seems like he's the obvious counter to the alistar, rumble, gragas, sejuani, maokai meta....

TEEMOcalypse1 votes

i never see Rumble anymore... maybe i should buy him and bring him back...

Jarvin81 votes

He's not played in low elo because he's so hard to play

Raise The Gnar1 votes

He's not as hard as people think. Here are some tips that help me at least:

  1. Take "The Equalizer" (R) off Quick/Smart Cast.
  2. IF you don't think you can land your ult on the majority of their team, then split it horizontally or diagonally THROUGH their team.
  3. This is a personal preference but if you feel you don't have good map awareness and can't summoner 12 in time just take summoner 14 .* You know, if you can't TP around well then may as well make the enemy toplane have no impact with his TP. :/

*This is generally for SoloQ if you're in a skype call or ranked 5's or something always take TP.

TacticalNukeInc1 votes

He was in my Promo for Silver Today VS our Teemo and won top so hard. He is still played by Bronze and Silver.

Imberdan2 votes

What part of your brain think that Trundle ult counter Alistar ult? Trundle ult steals armor and MR while Alistar ult just simply reduces damage taken by 70%(except true damage). Hence he gets kited so easily by champions you mentioned above.

RiotPhreak17 votes

Trundle ulti steals DR, too.

Retillin5 votes

If this is true, then why the hell is not on ANYTHING I can find for Trundle?

Kursor5 votes

Is there a reason that's not in the tooltip?

D:

Vacus6 votes

{quoted}

Trundle ulti steals DR, too.

If true (and I don't believe it is true), then there is a bug somewhere. Either the tooltip is wrong or the effect is bugged.

Bodkins Odds2 votes

I think Phreak would know. I mean, he wouldn't troll us. Would he?

Also, yeah, the tooltip really needs to mention this little gem. It's kind of important. Or at least add it to the loading screen hints.

GhostOfShrimpmas13 votes

{quoted}

Trundle ulti steals DR, too.

So, like, can we get tooltips updated to show what abilities actually do, then?

Junsui Aoi4 votes

... I don't feel like there's a way to "steal" damage reduction. Does it really do that? Or are we all being gullible here.

FredDunk2 votes

real

I don't think anyone and the league wiki knew about this. LOL

GundayMonday2 votes

You sure? That's not what his ultimate says.

Skia Asteri3 votes

{quoted}

Trundle ulti steals DR, too.

Then it needs to be documented.

TotalJerk1 votes

Whoa, what the fuck?

LukaLuna3 votes

TIL When someone engages, please follow up with your damage.

Togekiss242 votes

I could never figure out how to play this guy. In lane people just walk away from me and kite. Meanwhile, just about every pro player out there makes Alistar look like a god.

TacticalNukeInc3 votes

What is truly a god is this outrageous, Truly, Truly, Truly outrageousTaric !

Surprise Fatty1 votes

if your on engage you just W Q combo then just walk and stomp around and body block skillshots and champs. For peeler you just chill next to your carries and peel any divers.

TexMeta2 votes

Bulls actually don't break anything when put into a china shop. It's been proven. Just thought I'd say. :D

Aurus2 votes

I main Alistar aswell and have over 500 games with him he's probably the most well rounded support. He can initiate, tower dive, and make clutch saves with head butt, and good sustain for himself and laning partner with roar. He counters Blitz and Thresh hooks by blocking Line of Sight or head butting carry away if they hook his laning partner and basically any other melee supports like Nautilus or Leona even (if you play defensive vs Leona, its basically whoever goes in 1st LOSES that matchup for their carry). The supports that he struggles against are Morgana obviously, black shield and snare shut him down totally and a good Lulu with whimsy and giant growth make timing with the carry very hard. Janna or an experienced Nami can keep him at bay but cannot really win the battle just hope he over extends or the adc is not able to coordinate with Ali. Soraka is also a decent counter sometimes unless she is too aggressive and you can pick her off, focusing her carry is a waste of time unless you take ignite but even then Alistar does small damage so unless his laning partner is a Draven there is almost no chance for early kills.

I also use gold runes and masteries on him, can almost always have a lvl 2 relic, frozen heart, sight stone, boots of mobility, and sometimes a null mantle by 20 mins making him a formidable frontline tank with his ultimate and heal. You want max cd on Alistar asap for the 6.6 sec head butt and 8 sec stun cd allowing for 2-3 rotations of cc during those later mid game fights. While he cannot carry at all by himself start coordinating with whoever is dominating on your team when you roam to secure early kills and objectives.

The ideal laning partner for Alistar would be either Kalista or Vayne. He is an absolute terror alongside a good Kalista once they both hit 6, double knockup,stun, then slow secures kills easily; or head butt into wall for mini stun then use pulverize and Vayne's wall stun for a truly deadly combo ( a timely flash can be used to position for this as any good player will not allow you the angle to do this).Also both of those adc's are quite mobile so even if Alistar over extends or a counter gank comes in they can fend for themselves and get away with heal and their mobility alot of the time. Quite honestly though he can work well with every adc, can keep a squishy Twitch alive with roar early on as rat is very prone to poke, the new Ashe is very solid with him for obvious reasons or even a Varus while not ideal for lack of mobility can kill anything if Alistar goes in at the right times.

A good adc to play against Alistar ironically is also a Kalista and Vayne because they are quite "kitey" and do heavy damage with an early BF sword. Sivir with her spell shield makes comboing her very hard and on the hunt makes chasing impossible or over extending a foolish endeavor. Ashe with her slows and stun ultimate can shut down any carry trying to capitalize off Ali's combo as long as she is far enough back to weather the initial attack then back up fire a volley and a giant arrow to the face to stun and retreat if needed.

Its basically Alistar's all around usefulness against the majority of team comps and his CC combined with survivability that have made him a top support recently. He does not require the amount of skill as many supports such as Bard or Nami for example so many of the top players have not wanted to play him because he can be quite dull and a lack of challenge to play. In games of lesser skilled players as stated before it can be very frustrating pulling off slick combos only to watch them not follow up properly (I know this all too well from many games of frustration) so he never really caught on as a top support but I have been wrecking bot lane with him for years now with competent allies.

Twëx1 votes

In my relative experience with Alistar that is marginal to your own, it's my opinion that Alistar does not work well with Vayne only in that their combined early game is so weak that it is quite difficult to win lane.

StueGrifn2 votes

Alistar was a champion to behold before he came back. As someone who played him waaay before the re-work, it's interesting that his potential is just now starting to get publicity. For lack of a better term, Alistar is a good champion because he almost sidelines people -- literally. In games where you expect more mainstream sups like Sona, Soraka, or Blitz, it's a real game changer when someone like Alistar, this fast AoE- ability tanky support that, with a well placed ADC, can take out almost any champion at similar levels with such ease or efficiency. Another champion I expect this to happen to is Nami. Recently, Nami has come back as support and threw everyone in the game off guard. She has many abilities like alistar, but she is a mage, not a tank. She still sets up huge combos to poke and prod and make laning a bitch . . . if she isn't on your team, that is.

Bonura571 votes

Alistar is the best support in the game in my opinion. He can peel or be an initator. He has sustain. And he can 'bull' his way through the front line with his passive and ulti. Riot, should consider putting him back to the jungle however. Also i would consider buffing his E some. It is weak in the late game other than keeping up your passive. It is only good if you have ardent censor.

Saddest Day4 votes

I always got a kick out of how he shouted at people to heal them.

Surprise Fatty1 votes

Its not weak because its cd reduction procs off minion deaths too he can basically spam it in some teamfights. its really strong just dont max it in lane.

DarkRitual1 votes

High pick/ban priority in high ELO? Time for a nerf.

Son of Shades1 votes

You mean alistar... who was 100% banned at 2014 worlds... is a strong supp? Who knew!

Gubby Toad1 votes

That was back when he was played as a top laner.

warpedmind1 votes

why no comment from yellowstar, mithy and kiwikid? probably the best alistar players in the LCS

GRiiM1 votes

"Sometimes, they even find themselves in a china shop, wrecking everything in sight."

Actually, Mithbusters proved that myth to be wrong. They took actual bulls and placed them into an area where there was lots of... well you know... china, and let the bulls wander around a bit. The bulls were actually delicately avoiding the china going around all of the shelves without even letting their tails touch any of the plates, thus proving the myth to be completely wrong.

It's incredibly ironic, I know.... You would think that they would go complete haywire at the sight of fragile plates and bowls, but the bulls tended to keep to themselves as they were walking through the isles of china-filled shelves. Fairly intriguing if you ask me.

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