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It's a shame Fnatic won't get any of that sweet prize money
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I think its between Fnatic, TSM and AHQ for the other two semi spots
Meh i honestly think that TSM will beat out AHQ and Fnatic with ease. Team has been playing great for the past while now. In a good groove it seems.
Nah I don't think so! If someone can beat TSM, it would be Fnatic, and they will eventually do so! Bjergsen almost always lose vs EU mid laners, and TSM's only player who is stronger than his role counterpart is Wildturtle. And maybe Lustboy mechanically, but he is close with Yellowstar. I think Huni and Reignover will carry the game beetween these two teams, and I presume we will see some 1v1 kill from Febiven to Bjergsen.
Personally I think TSM are the more likely team to get the third semi spot out of those three. I think they have a pretty good coaching staff and infrastructure, and through many of their games during the split they were basically trying new things and testing out new comps and they just look much more consistent and controlled overall. I also don't think you can just straight up say Huni is better than dyrus considering he tend to get more resources put into him and Fnatic allow him to carry whereas Dyrus is kind of let to die while his team takes other objectives and gets Turtle/Bjerg going. Regrdless it will be interesting. We'll know in 2 weeks
Its sad that you would think that TSMs weakest player is the only role that TSM has better. Dyrus can be Huni. Reignover v Santorin is pretty even, though TSM doesn't put as much pressure on Santorin to carry his lanes out of the gutter. Feb v Bjerg belongs to the king the Bjergerking.
All of this is moot. SKT/EDG get first/second prize moneys and Fnatic/TSM just fight over 3rd and 4th.
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Very throughout
Thought out? Thorough? Thoughtful? Precise?
Very Throughout...just doesn't make sense.
I meant "thorough." Don't comment when you're in a hurry lol
True dat.
You happy they added a prize pool for the event? I am.
Of course. I always like to see Asians paid for their accomplishments.
Of course. I always like to see Asians paid for their accomplishments.
They were paid last year too but now this year EVERYONE is going to get a piece of the pie.
OMG 3rd and 4th get money! TSM and Fnatic can get something!
The one substitute thing is kinda bull like this really hurts the core thing with some of the Korean teams and I think it makes it harder to tell who the strongest team is atm. I believe SKT will be going to MSI and if they can't make full use of their substitutions it just hinders them which is unfair to them. This is essentially cutting SKT's team in half which is bullshit imo.
Different regions have different rules in regards to substitutes and besides, it will require regions like Korea who rely on multiple substitutions in their game series to really think through just how exactly they're going to play against the teams who don't have that luxury of sorts to switch out mid-series, as keep in mind that regions like Korea play BO2's in their regular season splits if I remember correctly there where as other regions such as NA and EU don't, so there's that at least.
If teams that heavily rely on multiple substitutions such as SKT want to prove to the world that they're a very strong team internationally, then they're just gonna have to learn how to adapt on the fly and work with what they have. Other regions can do just fine without having to use multiple substitutions a series, so if they can, then regions like Korea can do so too also, so there's that at least.
How are SKT supposed to MindF**K teams with Easyhoon/Tom in the first two matches then Faker/Bengi in the last 3! :(
Um, they're not?
Honestly I feel that this will require teams like SKT to really think about how they are going to set their roster for things like this as it requires allot more planning and strategy than what they normally use in their home leagues there, which isn't actually a bad thing to do there honestly, so there's that at least. Think of it this way, they're already a strong team as it is, so this will give them the chance to show the world just how powerful they are even if they can only bring one sub to events like MSI (providing that they even go to MSI anyways), so there's that at least.
I understand they are not, but that really limits the team. They have 2 primary subs for a reason. They have strategies they use with Easyhoon and with Faker. Same with Tom or Bengi.
I see this as limiting. Same goes for some of the LPL teams and making it easier for Wild Card/NA/EU teams at MSI.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Why do i feel the ''one subtitute'' rules is for EDG since PawN is sick and they need U to play most likely? But yeah, I'm ready for EDG vs LGD (o.o)/
I thought it was because of the whole Hai, lung situation last year, and Caomei having to leave unexpectedly and getting replaced by Cool at Allstars.
I think TSM has a real chance to upset even tho it's slim, i would say it's the first big, good represented tournament where a non Asien team has a chance to win.
Forcing folks to wear a certain style of clothes in the name of "professionalism" is really silly. Esports doesn't have to prove anything to anyone, and following practices like that just because "real" sports do it is painful to me. Let the coaches and players wear what they want to wear.
Actually I think it is probably less about professionalism and more about ensuring that sponsors are properly represented. At least from the players.
For the coaches professionalism does make sense and they are right to require it.
TSM and Fnatic could be in the finals for all we know. They'll definitely get to to the semis.
LOL?
Was a reply to someone that went here by mistake.
Wait, where is your TSM Flair? have you abandoned them! OH HAPPY DAY!
HAHAHA! No my silly Vixxy, I just wanted to show support to my favorite queen ASHE! My TSM logo will be back in time 4 MSI don't you worry. Your favorite arguing buddy is still here! Where's you TL icon?
TSM is gonna STOMP Fnatic!
I think TSM v Fnatic will be a good match. The battle for 3rd.
You should leave the TSM tag off. It suites the TrollFan01 of the People.
I don't wear a TL icon because I don't support just a single team, I will admit that I still have a bit of Curse or Die in my veins, but TL is not the same team as Curse. None of the players that held my interest in a single team are still around.
Nyjacky, Elementz, Cop, Saint, and Voyboy. That is the only curse for me. So without that (I understand that a few of those are still around in competitive, but it isn't the same). I have outgrown a single team focus, I enjoy great matches and debating the pros / cons of players/plays/teams/international play.
I think TSM v Fnatic will be a good match. The battle for 3rd.
You should leave the TSM tag off. It suites the TrollFan01 of the People.
I don't wear a TL icon because I don't support just a single team, I will admit that I still have a bit of Curse or Die in my veins, but TL is not the same team as Curse. None of the players that held my interest in a single team are still around.
Nyjacky, Elementz, Cop, Saint, and Voyboy. That is the only curse for me. So without that (I understand that a few of those are still around in competitive, but it isn't the same). I have outgrown a single team focus, I enjoy great matches and debating the pros / cons of players/plays/teams/international play.
No 3rd place match Vixxy.
HELL NO! Just because you forgot how to love a single team above the others is no reason others should forget as well!
I miss Chaox and Xpecial too so that's why I follow them if/when I can. Do you know what Elementz is up too?
Streaming, working out and being an all around badass?
That besides, TSM and Fnatic will be in a fight for 3rd unless by some shitty playoff layout SKT v EDG happens in the semis, which would piss me off cause it would mean that TSM v Fnatic was the other Semi. And that means one of those two got a lucky bracket.
Streaming, working out and being an all around badass?
That besides, TSM and Fnatic will be in a fight for 3rd unless by some shitty playoff layout SKT v EDG happens in the semis, which would piss me off cause it would mean that TSM v Fnatic was the other Semi. And that means one of those two got a lucky bracket.
Still being manly is good enough.
That is possible if EDG or SKT/GE Tigers get 1st and 4th or someone get 2nd and 3rd. That wouldn't so much suck as it would force a different kind of grand finals. I think fans have grown accustomed to seeing Koreans and Chinese in the finals and anything else is somehow wrong. Back-to-back worlds having this for finals (with the same team on China's side no less) no doubt contributed to this.
Can you imagine that it is TSM/Fnatic in the grand finals and then them again in the grand finals at Worlds on Halloween?
No it isn't the fact that it is Chinese v Korean in the finals. It is the fact that in order for Korea or China to not get both first and second means that the brackets were setup in such a way that NA/EU didn't have to go against China or Korea to get to the finals, which means that the true grand final would have been the semis.
Do you really think that NA or EU could get to Grand Final if they had to face SKT or EDG before that? I don't.
I want to see the best play the best, and even with EDG's performance at LPL finals (where they looked like they could have lost almost every game) they are, imho, vastly stronger than EU/NA. Now SKT or GE (I feel it will be SKT but still), are on the same level or above EDG.
If for some reason the brackets are setup to have TSM v Fnatic in the semi finals, I will be pissed (yes I am repeating myself) because that just means another international event that doesn't push TSM/Fnatic to the limit in the semis and make them work for finals (See IEM Katowice).
No it isn't the fact that it is Chinese v Korean in the finals. It is the fact that in order for Korea or China to not get both first and second means that the brackets were setup in such a way that NA/EU didn't have to go against China or Korea to get to the finals, which means that the true grand final would have been the semis.
Do you really think that NA or EU could get to Grand Final if they had to face SKT or EDG before that? I don't.
I want to see the best play the best, and even with EDG's performance at LPL finals (where they looked like they could have lost almost every game) they are, imho, vastly stronger than EU/NA. Now SKT or GE (I feel it will be SKT but still), are on the same level or above EDG.
If for some reason the brackets are setup to have TSM v Fnatic in the semi finals, I will be pissed (yes I am repeating myself) because that just means another international event that doesn't push TSM/Fnatic to the limit in the semis and make them work for finals (See IEM Katowice).
Anything is possible. We saw TPA win Worlds a few years back. Say whatever you want buddy, but it still happened so a "Cinderella" story CAN happen. Maybe things are changing? Perhaps the East isn't the #1 region anymore? Probably not but if they're not in the grand finals at Worlds then we'd be force to consider it. The brackets can't be fixed if everyone plays everyone and #1 vs #4 and #2 faces #3. If it happens, it happens. No fixes in. IEM Katowice was a bracket system which is a bit different but no one's fault. #1 from Group A faces #2 from Group B and the reverse for the remaining 2. It happened.
No there is a very clear way to fix a bracket, by putting KR/CN in 1 bracket and NA/EU in the other. That is essentially making it so that no NA/EU team has to face a KR/CN team until finals.
Meaning KR v CN is the first Semi and NA v EU is the second. This would clearly be shit, but if we see KR/CN as first and second it should be 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd which would put them on opposite sides of the bracket.
If that doesn't happen then its fixed.
No there is a very clear way to fix a bracket, by putting KR/CN in 1 bracket and NA/EU in the other. That is essentially making it so that no NA/EU team has to face a KR/CN team until finals.
Meaning KR v CN is the first Semi and NA v EU is the second. This would clearly be shit, but if we see KR/CN as first and second it should be 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd which would put them on opposite sides of the bracket.
If that doesn't happen then its fixed.
I don't see how this will be an issue unless either CN or KR gets 1st and 4th. There's no bracket problem it's a placement problem.
In all honestly, what will you say if if TSM and Fnatic beat SKT and EDG in the semis and then TSM wins the grand finals? Will you still troll others on them or get on the band wagon?
Well it won't happen, so if TSM wins MSI by beating EDG or SKT, I will buy a TSM shirt and wear it to every esports event with a sign that says "I was wrong about TSM"
Well it won't happen, so if TSM wins MSI by beating EDG or SKT, I will buy a TSM shirt and wear it to every esports event with a sign that says "I was wrong about TSM"
LOL! If/when it happens I'll be here typing "Good, good, let the hate flow through you."
And if it doesn't happen all you will get is a "I fkn told you so"
And if it doesn't happen all you will get is a "I fkn told you so"
We're at an agreement then!
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