EU new system is a disappointment

Spree Lark·Mar 23, 2017·3 votes·485 views

Look at the last two weeks and you see one side only has a battle for the 3-4 and on the other all of the playoff teams are decided, with one team having what is effectively a 1 1/2 game lead with 3 to go. Ho hum.

If this were still a combined group you would have your first still in good shape, a 4-way battle for the #2 slot, and at least 3 teams fighting for the last playoff spot with the last relegation slot still a concern for a number of teams. That would be interesting and make the games worth watching.

And for this yawner of a schedule we get fewer games. My opinion is that this trial failed.

8 Comments

Miror BMar 24, 20173 votes

For me, the big problem with the whole EU thing right now is that the region as a whole has few "quality teams", so combined with the whole "teams choose their opponent's brackets" it can leave one division massively stacked as compared to the other one. Look at the groups now, and although G2 has misfits with them (a decent team who scarily might make worlds this year only to go 0-6) the rest of the teams are quite bad to the point in which a sub-500 team might actually make the playoffs.

To really spice things up, I'd like to see them add a few rules which'd work a bit like this:

The top 2 teams in each group (record-wise) would be exempt from these rules. Should the 4th seed of one group have a better overall record than the 3rd seed of the other group, it would take its playoff seed. Should the 5th seed of one group have a better overall record than the 4th seed of the other group, it would take its "non-relegation spot".

That'd help with some of the balance, and possibly prevent the current nonsense which is a possible 5-8 team making the playoffs.

GeminiRuneMar 24, 20172 votes

It's not even about whether the "trial period" passed or failed. In hindsight, who could have expected this outcome? The LPL literally does the exact same system, only with 2 more teams to make 6-team groups and as a result, more matches but that's beside the point.

"But the LPL is showing competition among the groups." That's genuinely because it's only as of late that there were definitive top teams or stable identified teams in each group and even still, that's by a rather slim margin with the exception of RNG and possibly WE, both topping their groups atm. Anyone who watches LPL can see that and hopefully not even make another region-flaming remark over it. Europe as a whole just established their best and worst faster surprisingly enough. The system shouldn't be rated based off of pathetic performing teams. Sure it grants more games should it have remained the 10-team RR, but that ultimately still concludes with the upper echelon of teams still running over the lower. In general, the region is simply top heavy this Spring Split just as the LMS has always been.

III BAKURYU III Mar 23, 20171 votes

The 2 conference or division thing would have made more sense of more teams were in the League but 10 teams with 5 in each it gets pretty easy to see through the weeks and just pick the top teams.

B00B00Mar 24, 20171 votes

yeh either 10 teams in each or ffs just keep one table riot needs to stop using EU lcd as a guinea pig, put the NA LCS into action over here. done, sorted.

III BAKURYU III Mar 24, 20171 votes

A. I'v been wanting something like a combined Splits into 1 full split instead of 2 splits(spring/summer) Combine the challenger teams with the currently teams, no relegation to eliminate teams, instead just find more talent around the league/Challenger(tier) , Master etc etc from the solo Q players.

B. If League of Legends truly is something great and the next big thing with so many investors then finding those investors for teams should come easy. Look at Mark Cuban from the DAL Mavs, Gordan Hayward for the UTU Jazz, they've shown to have League on their minds, Rick Fox owns Echo Fox, I believe Shaq either owns or does something/did with NRG? The point is League can branch off to some big $ investors that in the end can help get A. Recognition B. Talent/Scouts etc C. $ - Big Investors can literally say " Hey kid, wanna make $$$$ ?" " Play this game but at the same time stay in school" and BAM new young talent that gets developed

By doing B. it develops teams/players to add to the LCS and RIOT should/WILL do this in the future. League is popular and when it first started there were only 8 teams in each region from NA/EU then in 2015 it went from 8 teams to 10 through the years.

Adding more teams. Having more teams in MY opinion will actually be better than what it is now cause it's the same story split after split after split. TSM-C9-CLG-G2 those are really the only teams to care, watch, view, and for investors to invest into a League/scene that isn't the same story just being watched and rewind again and again.

The longer split. The splits are nice but it's flawed and I'm sure I don't need to go into detail about it? How many teams start off the season 0-5 and go " well, our split is pretty much done" but with combined spring and summer splits teams can have up to 36 games and not feel the pressure of 0-5 out of 18 games vs 0-5 out of 36 games. The whole Cloud 9 subbing out Impact every so often for Ray could actually work because the pressure of the much shorten 18 games vs the 36+ games can allow C9 as well as other teams to experiment their subs and rosters. This helps teams that do have say 24+ old players(Sneaky) knowing he may retire soon to give some time(GMS) to say their back up ADC to get them ready whenever the time comes for them to step in when Sneaky leaves/retires.

Just my thoughts and views, I could be bat s$it crazy, stupid and/or dumb but just my views on the subject. The divided conference from EU was bad and could be been done better if there were more teams instead of 2 good teams in each Group and the predictable(OG-ROC-GIA-VIT) bottom feeders

B00B00Mar 24, 20172 votes

the only thing i disagree with is no relegation, it creates a stagnant and very un-exciting bottom tier which is basically ignored.

however this is where the NA/EU sports come into play as you guys have franchising and no relegation right? where EU doesn't, we have and revere the relegation bouts for both a way to get into said league/tier of play and a way for the worst teams to be relegated.

Miror BMar 24, 20171 votes

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the only thing i disagree with is no relegation, it creates a stagnant and very un-exciting bottom tier which is basically ignored.

however this is where the NA/EU sports come into play as you guys have franchising and no relegation right? where EU doesn't, we have and revere the relegation bouts for both a way to get into said league/tier of play and a way for the worst teams to be relegated.

From what I can understand, the EU teams actually want relegation as apparently they're up for making challenger its own kind of "league" (which considering challenger is usually more watchable than the LCS most times, makes me heavily in favor of that). Literally the only reason the NA teams don't want relegation is because it'd allow billion-dollar sports franchises to hoard top-level talent and take their LCS spots without them getting any profit off of it, similar to what happened with NRG last split (who proceeded to opt entirely out of LoL afterwards and focus more on building crappy CS:GO teams).

III BAKURYU III Mar 24, 20171 votes

I understand the relegation system and believe me there's nothing more I want to see is when bad team/s are in a League for a split or even two depending if they barely get through the relegation tournament(Echo Fox) and get the boot. In which this year looks to be Origen.

That's a big problem with Riot not having investors is because of the relegation system. No investor will invest their time and effort in a young team(because new teams are mostly built around/with young talent to produce for years to come) and the 80% chance of that team doing bad for 1 split and getting relegated in the process.
Look at TSM they pretty much hold like 80% investors, mouse investors, phones, drinks etc etc etc the newer teams have shitt because people aren't idiots and won't take the chance in investing in those newer teams because it's a HUGE risk with very little to 0 reward and it's killing the LCS/ The game is fine I suppose but the scene that's trying to take itself real in the big world of NFL/NBA/NHL is dying because of it.

By franchising teams has some benefits

A. Investors like I previously stated before in my previous year long post above ^^^^ won't be afraid to actually put in some money and see if it floats on the other side of the pipe. Like a savings bond.

B. Franchising teams helps build rosters/talent. X player is on a bad just garbage team but X player is really good and the fans know it, but the team is like 0-18 and they get relegated that X player won't stay on that team. Spring split X player has the 0-18 record, they get relegated. They then will have to play in the CS during the summer, just to make it back into the Spring.
By franchising teams the owners can sub out, kick, replace certain players to help benefit the whole team for years to come instead of feeling the pressure of performing in just 1 split.
It's squeezing the lemon too hard for it to make apple juice for you. It might perform well in 1 split because of the constant/bad habits and feeling pressure to do so but in the long run it's still a bad habit.

C. Recognition, Renowned I hated when Team Dignitas was either bought out or whatever and it became Team Apex Gaming. I was so use to Team Dignitas the history of that team, the logo it was something that I knew when I first watched League back in 2012. The history, the plays, the former players gone for a new named team that yes, might seem petty but look at like this instead. If someone bought out say your favorite NBA team for example The Los Angeles Lakers and named the team The Cook Out Burgers wouldn't you feel like the history, the presence, the prestige of that team was gone in just 1 name change all because they got relegated( or maybe they didn't get relegated IDK I forget sometimes) if so that's what the relegation does to some people, teams, players.