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Competitive ruling: Konstantinos ‘FORG1VEN’ Tzortziou

Riot··3 votes·71,641 views

TL;DR

Konstantinos ‘Forg1ven’ Tzortziou, current ADC for EU LCS team Gambit Gaming, has shown a pattern of negative in-game behaviour and toxicity in the past month. After receiving a fine for a similar offence in 2014 and warnings by LCS officials, his toxic behaviour has continued and he has failed to meet the behaviour standard outlined in the LCS ruleset. As a result, he will be suspended from the next four games his team plays starting immediately.

Context

On July 9th, LCS officials were delivered screenshots revealing targeted harassment and the use of discriminatory language towards a fellow player by Konstantinos ‘Forg1ven’ Tzortziou. These screenshots triggered a behavior investigation into the recent account history of Forg1ven. That investigation revealed that over the past month, he has shown a pattern of negative behaviour including verbal abuse and discrimination on his multiple League of Legends accounts. On July 13th, we notified Gambit that an investigation was underway around the player and his behavior, and that this investigation could result in the player being suspended.

 

In the last 30 days, he was reported in over 70% of his games, with 92% of reports received being for verbal abuse, offensive language and negative attitude - this put him in the top 1.5% of toxic players during this time period. After investigating his chat logs we were able to confirm the trend the reports indicated.

 

We expect pro players to lead the way as role models and set good examples of in-game behaviour. No player should be made to feel singled out, harassed or discriminated against in game, and Forg1ven’s recent behaviour is unacceptable.

Ruling

In the most recent case of in-game toxicity, another player was suspended for two weeks for frequent in-game harassment and verbal abuse found in his alternate account. In regular LCS show weeks, a two week suspension is the equivalent of four games. To maintain consistency within LCS rulings, we will be issuing a suspension of similar length for Forg1ven, and with the close proximity to playoffs, we have decided to use games rather than weeks to maintain parity across punishments.

Forg1ven is suspended from playing in the LCS for the next four games his team plays starting immediately.

Relevant Rules

10.2.4 Discrimination and Denigration

  • Team Members may not offend the dignity or integrity of a country, private person or group of people through contemptuous, discriminatory or denigratory words or actions on account of race, skin color, ethnic, national or social origin, gender, language, religion, political opinion or any other opinion, financial status, birth or any other status, sexual orientation or any other reason.

10.1.2 Profanity and Hate Speech

  • A Team Member may not use language that is obscene, foul, vulgar, insulting, threatening, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory or otherwise offensive or objectionable; or promote or incite hatred or discriminatory conduct, in or near the match area, at any time. A Team Member may not use any facilities, services or equipment provided or made available by LCS or its contractors to post, transmit, disseminate or otherwise make available any such prohibited communications. A Team Member may not use this type of language on social media or during any public facing events such as streaming.

Q&A

If you have found previous reports, why is he only banned now?

 

It takes time to complete a full LCS investigation once receiving a report. Investigations involve multiple teams within Riot to verify the information that is presented to us, locating alternate accounts, and manually scraping chat logs to ensure accuracy. We want to be as thorough and accurate as possible.

 

Why is Forg1ven being suspended?

 

We have seen an unfortunate trend of negative behaviour and this is his second formal offence. He was issued a fine on April 12th 2014 for continued negative behaviour. The fact that his behaviour is an issue has also been brought to his attention several times, most recently when he  participated in LCS training on expectations of pro player in-game behaviour and avoiding toxicity.  

What did he say that was so bad?

One of our goals with competitive rulings is to protect the sources that provide information leading to punishments. Out of respect for the individuals affected by the discriminatory language, we won’t be providing screen shots or chat logs of the incidents. With that in mind, Forg1ven has repeatedly used negative language in game that ranges from harassment and verbal abuse to discrimination. Discrimination can occur in various different forms, but all have the same aim of making the target feel singled out and uncomfortable, which no player should be made to feel.

This hurts Gambit’s chances at a playoff run - do you take this into account?

We are aware of how this might impact Gambit as a team, which is why we alerted the team of the investigation early in the process on Monday July 13th. Harassment of fellow players is conduct unbecoming of an LCS player, and while it is regrettable that his team will be affected by his absence, the choice to verbally abuse fellow players was made by Forg1ven alone.

 

103 Comments

Saku Di Purrada29 votes

Maybe he should have said he'd rape someone's dead mother, that way he'd be hired as a caster instead. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGG65aaUsAMKWci.png Even if I agree with punishing bad behaving players, the blatant preferentialism hurts.

Best Órianna EUW25 votes

Pornstar Zilean is one of OP Shaco's friends = A group of people whose intentions are to troll other "known" or "famous" players/streamers. I don't blame Krepo for saying that, I've seen OP Shaco's people troll and I literally want to kill their whole family when I see them troll.

Ohne Tun10 votes

He replied to a known flamer in an already loaded discussion apparently - that's been the common reddit response anyway. Also this is ONE quote - not 70% of his games. Besides: what's with the "even if"? Punishment is not retaliation here but protecting the community from getting flamed (otherwise chat restrictions would be pointless). As far as pro players are concerned it is apparently in the rules they signed up for.

Nirbrant7 votes

First of all it was a respond to bullshit comment/insult. Second, his mother was probably not dead. Third, it was funny... Like a joke. It was dark humor and not verbal abuse and flame on someone who preformed poorly.

warpedmind2 votes

ikr, its not like krepo was in total carnage mode and tried to insult him no matter what. it was a pretty smart joke. its a diffrence between one guy being toxic or sarcastic and the other guy being a pussy or really a victim

Y0ke6 votes

o ffs, who cares...quit being so sensitive all you little kids are so senstitive....and it's all riot's fault. Back in the day people wouldn't get banned for telling noob trolls they suck....nowadays you get banned for saying "gg ez" or calling someone a "noob". Riot has created a culture that caters to 8 yr old fragile little childs who cant take a little criticism/shit talk over the internet.

Man up, grow some balls all of you.

Ferelwing11 votes

... Perhaps because it's considered bad sportsmanship in ANY context? Or did no one ever teach you what sportsmanship means?

I'm hoping for your sake someone did. When you play a game (any game) or participate in a sport (any sport) there's good sportsmanship and bad sportsmanship. If you show bad sportsmanship (if you're a jerk when you win and a jerk when you lose) it's insulting. If you say something like that, you're showing a lack of respect for your opponent and that shows a character flaw. So yeah, you deserve to be reported if you can't be a good sport when you win. You deserve to be reported if you can't show good sportsmanship when you lose.

No one appreciates being mistreated and telling other's that they're being "too sensitive" shows a general lack of empathy and a terrible lack of sportsmanship.

(I have yet to figure out why people tell others to grow balls, when someone gets kicked there they tend to fall down... They're not exactly the "manly" part)

Ragefarm18 votes

Toxicity is the single most complained about issue with LoL. My friend told me, "If it weren't for the toxic players, league would be a perfect game." I applaud Riot for cracking down on this crap at the pro level. It won't help in silver, but it does make a statement that it isn't to be tolerated, especially from the professionals.

Ahdok4 votes

I applaud Riot for taking a stance, but it's concerning that it takes months of continual play with a 70% report rate for anything to be done.

The report just mentions "several months" - but if we assume it's around three months, and a professional player goes through one game an hour during regular work hours when training, then we're looking at around 800 or so games played, with over 500 reports before anything was done.

So what, you can sit in soloQ and harass and abuse people for 500 games before you get a 4 match ban?

DeadManWaltzing14 votes

As much as it pains me as both a Gambit fan, and someone with him on my Fantasy LCS lineup, I'm pleased to see this ruling.

Ohne Tun10 votes

Let me get this straight: This guy was reported in 70% of his games and not without reason. That puts him in the top 1.5% of toxic players. You sorted that out now - manually.

So despite all this his accounts were not sorted out by the automated system?!? Please tell me his accounts had already received the adequate response, please tell me that it is just the LCS you sorted out manually... Otherwise it really sounds like the automated system doesn't do it's job at all.

William N Chocox2 votes

I believe it was just for the LCS that they did it manually. They had to make sure they found as many of his accounts as possible. His accounts probably were flagged.

p0psicles3 votes

I was wondering this, too... how in the world did they have to manually figure it out? Players can be reported in almost 3/4 of their games and the system doesn't automatically ban them or tip off Riot employees?

daannniiii8 votes

he deserves

dipje6 votes

Incarnation is banned 'forever', but shows consistent good behaviour and gets another chance. IWillDominate gets banned, shows good behaviour and is welcomed back into the LCS.

Forgiven is banned, gets back and starts right back at it again after 1 split, and he gets banned '4 games' ?! Sorry (and specially sorry for Gambit) but how many warnings is enough for someone supposed to be a professional.... by far?

I would assume a way bigger punishment for the 2nd time around, but he gets off with a 'nono'. Please make the 3rd strike (which WILL come) at least 'the final one'.

Yojiigen5 votes

They just killed gambit's season and all the effort /work they put into it. Like they killed it 2 splits ago with this bullshit fucking rematch. They always disliked them. Every gambit game they put Quickshot that trashtalk them a lot. I don't know USA/RUSSIA conflict ? nothing new. The visa from the week in the UK was really bullshit aswell on some previous splits. They had the time to make the visa to go there but Rito just didnt tell them and they had to play with substitutes. Don't tell that Riot doesnt try to fuck this orgination as often as they can. Sure he deserves punishnement but why NOW when it's 2 games left just why. This is targeting right here. I'm pretty sure that if it would have been a player from Fnatic or some other favorited team it would not have happenend this way. I don't understand, it's better for them if the league is exciting and if the competition is fierce and now the standings are so close, this last week was decisive for the whole Split. This is targeting right here This is disguting you are a big joke Rito. I hope they still make it to playoff and crush some of your favorited teams. This is not the first time this kind of shit from Riot happen with Gambit.

p0psicles3 votes

So it's Riot's fault and not the fault of the guy who was reported in 3/4 of his games over the last month? Interesting fanboy logic.

NeoDeimos1 votes

So it's Riot's fault and not the fault of the guy who was reported in 3/4 of his games over the last month? Interesting fanboy logic.

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haku1234 votes

who play oder him//?? genja??

SàXo6 votes

they recently signed steeelback as a sub, so it might be him

Bischa2 votes

steelback is playing in na cs tho.

Ixnay1 votes

I honestly hope its Steeelback besides (im not sure tho) i dont think you need to be in physically in NA to play in the CS except for playoff finals.

XxMast2 votes

But if he is in EU and he is still on CS team he will have 180 ms! He would lag so hard.

KalashiChris6 votes

Steelback, the real god, he play for 3 team at same time: Odyssey Gaming, Team Imagine & Gambit Gaming.

WuanZip4 votes

I guess you could say his behaviour was unforg1vable.

Chrisdelu3 votes

Intersting to see this, Forg1ven always seemed like a rather toxic player to me... But how is he being toxic? Toxic to his team or in solo q? Ty Riot for pushing against toxicity.

josepdd3 votes

fukin' retards, this happens everyday and still will happen until the tribunal would be reopened. it was a good anti-troll measure:

PLS reopen the tribunal

lkebukuro3 votes

I didn't realize that when issuing punishments at the end of an investigation, Riot, or any league , was required to cater to the offending players teammates and fans. I'll use this analogy. I guess if Barcelona has 1 game left to make it into the Champions League and Messi gets a red card we should just hold off any subsequent game bans to the next season. Let him play. So what if his tackle broke a guys leg. So what if he punched a guy. (wait, wait. people are gonna say Forg1ven's crimes weren't that bad) so what if he gives a giant middle finger to the refs, the other team, whoever. We gotta give him preferential treatment just because we don't want to seem unfair to his teammates and fans and ruin there chances.... Cmon guys. Seriously. Its Forg1ven punishing his teammates and fans by not thinking ahead and abiding by the rules of his clearly stated player contract. Either blame him or the guy that gave him the contract but Riot has got it right this time.

rewonia1 votes

Please don't take the thing out of context. Its more like this way.

I guess if Barcelona has 1 game left to make it into the Champions League and Messi gets red card because Messi have flamed other players four years straight without any change. We allowed Messi to play all this time to see if there is behavior changes. Our investigation took new step in action since there was random guy telling us about this toxic behavior. As giving rights as owner of league we decided to punish member of five member team and ban this member from participating next 4 games.

Meanwhile we know that Balotelli and lots of other players are in same situation and we actually have the same information about them as we have about Messi. But we are not going to take next step of punishment because we are not feeling like it.

If we can use our imagination and make suggest that the random guy that told about toxic behavior is player from a rival team. Now act of punishment gives the rival team better chance to qualify for Champions League. Without actually losing their own key player Balotelli who have as bad behavior.

In this situation it doesn't help that Riot as company gave the information way too late and force Gambit Gaming discard whole playing strategy day before game against team that doesnt have to do it. As a summary i think Riot should really add some transparency to operation level. RIght now they are just bullying Gambit Gaming season to season.

lkebukuro5 votes

The tip came only 12 days and 9 business days before the punishment was issued. They gave Gambit Gaming a warning 9 days ago and I imagine they also gave worst case scenarios so Gambit could prepare. The time it takes to check things from how much did he do to finding precedence to determining legal issues to pr management among a multitude of other things, i think 9 business days is pretty fair. They 'allowed Messi to play all this time' not to see if he would improve but to check out all that other stuff.

'We know that Balotelli and lots of other players are in same situation.' Do we? If someone could show an instance where another player had 'screenshots revealing targeted harassment and the use of discriminatory language' and riot has proceeded to not investigate, I would retract all my arguments pertaining to that.

Claiming that a rival team submitted the initial evidence. Does it matter? If Drug Lord A turns in Drug Lord B because they are competitors, does that make Drug Lord B any less guilty? But we still can't prove that Balotelli does have bad behavior, at least not at a 70% report rate... or even 10% for that matter. If Balotelli did have bad behavior Gambit should submit evidence.

I see people saying that Riot is purposely targeting Gambit as they are trying to qualify for playoffs. Did everyone forget when SK Svenskeren was banned for the first three world's group stage games? Those seem like much more important games than what Forg1ven and Gambit are losing.

I will submit this. I can't possibly believe this bad behavior only started a month ago. The idea that it wasn't caught earlier by Riot's systems is an oversight by the company and needs to be reevaluated.

However the other player mentioned in the article was suspended for 2 weeks even though he was only reported 50% of the time on his 'flame account' and only 10% on his main and it did not include discriminatory remarks. 1 guy gets reported maybe 20% in total and the other 70% while being DISCRIMINATORY and having PREVIOUS OFFENSES. I personally think a 10 game ban should sound more reasonable.

Ahdok2 votes

The context of this is that he broke the rules, and they imposed a penalty.

If we're to provide comparisons then we should compare to other plaers in the community who have been punished for similar offenses. I understand that Riot regularly ban "normal players" for multiple weeks for a few games of offensive comments. Forgiven has shown nmultiple months of offensive comments, harassment and verbal abuse, AND before issuing any bans, he had a warning!

This punishment is far, far less than it would have been if Forgiven had been a silver ranked player.

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If Gambit feel that they are disadvantaged by this ruling, they should:

  1. Step up their internal practices to ensure their players play in a positive fashion in line with the summoner's code

  2. Not hire professionals who repeatedly break the rules of conduct for their job.

Pi is the word3 votes

So, even being reported in 70% of your games you won't get banned, unless someone sends you a direct report with screenshots? Sounds like your current system is non-existent.

Lanthroviel2 votes

Now if only that kind of system existed when Ocelote was in his haydays...

NeoDeimos2 votes

Everyone who's surprised by his toxicity, raise your hand. No one? OK then.

But seriously, anyone as obviously arrogant as he is, is almost guaranteed to have a toxic behavior in-game, especially to those that he deems "inferior"

Ajisk2 votes

With regards to the recent ruling on Forg1ven, why does it take being reported in 70% of his games, i.e. being in the top 1.5% of toxic players for punishments to be doled out? Shouldn't your machine learning programs catch players way sooner than that?‎ Bently Wong

The player actually received penalties already by the systems. Potential LCS, or active LCS players just get additional penalties on top of what they receive in-game. http://ask.fm/RiotLyte

Edelheld1 votes

At the very least Riot could've given him a pass for the last 2 games of a split so Gambit can end season normally and start training with the new adc for the play-offs. Instead, Riot jeopardises their chances for the normal season. Can they be more sensitive to such things and not punish innocents(Gambit and its fans, as well as opponents of the Elements and H2K in standings)? No, Riot can't, instead, they screw Gambit over yet again, totally no bias.

NeoDeimos2 votes

totally no bias.

Correct, there is no bias at all in their decision. Why should they allow a known toxic player to continue playing, and push their suspension back? Letting him play shows bias TOWARDS Gambit.

Not to mention that Gambit knew they were harboring a known toxic player, and CHOSE of their own free will to keep him around. They knew he was a d*ck previously, and very likely would continue to be unless they stepped in to stop his behavior. They didn't stop him, and thus they should suffer any consequences that having him not around should bring.

Ahdok1 votes

At the very least Riot could impose the same penalties for toxic so-called "professionals" as they do for everyone else, and ban his accounts from playing any games for several weeks, rather than just imposing a four match-ban.

Cheryl Cole1 votes

So Riot. Becouse Forgiven is a dick, you had to come in and delete Gambit chance for worlds. Hope you realise, there are another 4 guys. You kinda ruined their dream. Same as you did to SK. Same as you did to NIP. Im not saying any of them didnt deserve some kind of punishment. Just not that kind that punish another innocent guys. And im not even talking about your timing. You did punish Nukeduck and Mithy right before playoffs. You did punish Sven right before group stage. You did punish Forgiven right before deciding matches and playoffs. Ok that punishment is wrong, but let's say you simply can't come out with anything smarter. Ok than. But timing of your restrictions is just disgusting.

Earl Eulrich4 votes

to be fair, i think it´s really a forgiving sentence given the amount of toxicity he produced. The team is responsible to keep their players in check, as they know what is expected of them, so it´s alright if that sentence hurts the whole team (as sorry as i am for gambit, they really looked improving latly). It just shows that Toxicity spreads around to "innocent" people fast...therefor it´s absolutly right to punish it, especially in such a puplic case to set a good example.

Cheryl Cole3 votes

Yes i do agree, teams are responsible for players and their behavior during their matches. I don't agree they should be punished differently than us in their free time. It's not some kind of public case. It is exactly as me or you being toxic. What would we get.. 50 games chat restriction, than ranked games restriction, than something like a week ban, etc... Nobody even knows he used to be reported in 70% of games. So why do we need to know? Soloq and professional career should be separate, and should be separately punished.

Earl Eulrich4 votes

It is exactly as me or you being toxic.

i beg to differ, pro-players are way more public figures than you or me. So of either of us being toxic and being punished sets an example for just us, but if a public figure is shown to not get away being toxic it affects a broader part of the community. Also, it´s part of their palyer-contract. So there´s absolutly no excuse for him to behave badly in SoloQ, it not a seperate thing. It has just been stupid of Forgiven and it´s really a sad thing for Gambit as a team - but it´s entirly Forgiven´s fault, Riot is not to blame here.

...and besides, if they do get Steelback as a sub I think they get somewhat of an upgrade.

Cheryl Cole1 votes

Yes he is more public figure. But still who the fuck knows, he has been toxic? Like that 0,0001 of community, that ever played with him? Yes i do agree, it is common knowledge, but mostly becouse riot let us know this. His behavior in his own games is surely not way more public, than in mine or yours. No excuse for him? And who is trying to make any excuses? Im trying to say, there is like a milion another ways, to restrict player, but not affect the team.

Earl Eulrich3 votes

the thing is - he´s had a reputation of being...let´s call it unfriendly even back when he had been playing for SK (though most of their players have had those issues). Gambit knew who they got on board, they failed in keeping him in check - and they know it´s part of players contract to set a good example for the community. I still think the sentence is too forgiving actually, he could have easily been banned for the rest of the season.

NeoDeimos1 votes

Gambit knew who they got on board, they failed in keeping him in check

100% correct.

"You get what you pay for". "You made your bed, you need to sleep in it". "Caveat emptor: Buyer beware". etc...

Pannenco1 votes

Riot is to blame partially they tipped gambit that he would probably get banned yet they wait till very important matchesto actually execute the punishment .and steelback is not the supp , its a supp player :(

Ahdok3 votes

It's exactly the same as you or me being toxic at work, in our job, when collaborating with others.

For me, I'm a scientist, I occasionally go out and work with people at universities in collaborative research projects. If I spent my entire time at a university being abusive and harassing my collaboration colleagues, I'd expect them to raise a formal complaint with my company, and I'd expect disciplinary action to be taken.

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The word "Professional" means something. It means you need to act professionally. For a professional gamer, part of that is adhering to the rules of conduct for the game they are playing. Just like if I was a doctor, part of my professional rules of conduct would include "don't accidentally leave a scalpel stuck inside my surgery patients."

If a player isn't up to acting professionally then they shouldn't be a professional.

NeoDeimos1 votes

And a note to all the Gambit fans who still believe Riot screwed them: Xiao Wei Xiao was removed from Impulse the very same week that Forgiven was... Impulse went 2-1, clearly overcoming the "punishment" of losing a player. Perhaps it's time you Gambit fans took a look at your own team, instead of pointing fingers and blaming everyone else.

Sqùìrrèl1 votes

Great... a proplayer was held to standards. Now, we need to hold the actual community to standards. This Bilgewater thing and the "brawlers" is the biggest troll ever :( How many times do I have to be verbally assaulted by my "fellow peers" before the report system takes them out? This Bilgewater thing has brought out the WORST. I'm glad to see the consistency of proplayers being held responsible for their actions, but something needs to be done with the community, too. Otherwise, LoL will just be another game I quit playing even though I love the gameplay itself.

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