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10 THOUGHTS
GOING INTO GROUP STAGE

The Worlds train roars on with eight less passengers. The 2017 Group Stage is sure to be even more hectic as this is one of the most balanced draws ever. It’s hard to predict what will happen, so this week, I’m going to make five “real” predictions and five crazy predictions.

Real prediction: All three Korean teams finish 1stI know, I know -- this should be a crazy prediction. All three Korean teams advancing without breaking much of a sweat? When has that ever happened? :thinkingemoji: Look, without KT Rolster here, nothing unexpected should happen with the LCK teams. Until proven otherwise, I don’t see how you could reasonably expect them to not dominate again. That said, every other region right now is thinking, “But maybe…”

Crazy prediction: Kalista makes it through the pick/ban phase untouchedHaha, just kidding.

Real prediction: Marines will contend for 2ndLevi famously hit 300 CS before 30 minutes from the jungle role this past split, which is only okay when compared to Reddit Challenjours, but is still commendable at the pro level. The GIGABYTE Marines captured many hearts at MSI with their hyper aggressive and unconventional style. I expect them to replicate that craziness in the Group Stage, which has historically been home to all sorts of wild upsets and plays. The Worlds meta will definitely evolve as the tournament progresses, but prepare for it to adjust accordingly to the Marines.

Crazy prediction: TSM will go 6-0Am I an NA-based writer who might have NA bias? Do I get hyped for TSM every single Worlds? Do I make historical arguments for everyone else but conveniently ignore it when I talk about TSM? Possibly. But let me tell you why this prediction will come true. It’s easy: TSM TSM TSM. And If you don’t speak TSM, then I’m sorry, but you’ll have to find a translator.

Real prediction: A caster will forget to say 1907Death, taxes, and this prediction -- your only guarantees at Worlds 2017. 1907 Fenerbahçe Espor had a dominant run through the Play-in stage to secure a spot in the Group Stage. But they went from what I thought was the easiest Play-in group to the hardest group (Group C with G2, SSG, and RNG). If they keep going, though, could it mean we've accidentally shifted to an alternate timeline? Is this Worlds 1907?

Crazy prediction: Clearlove7 clears QuartersThis is only crazy because he’s never done it before. Which is crazy for someone with as much domestic success as him. This year, expectations are tempered. Maybe fans don’t want to suffer the same letdown as last year. Maybe EDG is worse. But this would be the ultimate storyline -- Clearlove7 making a deep Worlds run on his home turf after years of struggle and taking some time off this year. I’m a sucker for a good love story.

Real prediction: The best player in Group C will be…You know this meme
He’ll finish first
You guessed right
It’s G2 Perkz

In order for G2 Esports to advance, this prediction more or less needs to be true. Perkz is a dynamite talent when his cylinders are firing. And it’s easy to forget G2 finished 2nd at MSI after their summer slump, but then again, they’ve never been good at Best of 1s...

Crazy prediction: Jensen will body Faker… in lane. Jensen had one of the most statistically dominant splits in the history of the NA LCS. Cloud9 will funnel so many resources into him that it’ll transcend time and space such that even you will be accidentally ganked by Contractz in your next mid lane game. Faker won’t be able to hide in bush against this.

Real prediction: SK telecom T1 will win WorldsSometimes you bet on the horse with the funny name. Sometimes you cover your eyes and point randomly. But sometimes… sometimes you just pick the strongest and shiniest looking horse. And for three of the last four years, that’s been SK telecom T1. They have mastered the art of mastery better than everyone. Because the patch doesn’t change at Worlds, the team that can gain the deepest and most refined understanding of it wins. And it’s hard to imagine that’s anyone but SKT.

Crazy prediction: Steak’s afro will grow back an inch with each Flash Wolves winConventional science might not agree with me on how hair growth works, but it would also tell you Star Wars is just “fiction.” Instead of asking yourself whether or not it’s possible, ask what’s cooler. Trust in the power of hair. The LMS already lost one of their representatives. Is it a sign the region is weaker? Or can the Flash Wolves finally turn their domestic dominance into a strong Worlds showing? I think the answer lies in the hair.

MATCH PREVIEW
Thursday, OCTOBER 6, Approximately 2:30 AM PST
LONGZHU GAMING
LCK
Immortals
NA LCS

Most people expect LZ to dominate this matchup and this group. I am one of those people. What intrigues me about this matchup, though, is that it will serve as a good measuring stick for NA faithful. And beyond that -- every other region. Memes aside, North America is in the conversation for being the second strongest region entering worlds, especially after they dismantled EU at Rift Rivals. IMT had a very strong summer split which culminated in a hard fought series against TSM in the NA LCS Finals. How they’ll stack up against LZ will be a preview for everybody else. Just how big is “the gap” this year? And personally, I’ve underestimated IMT all split only to be surprised over and over by them. On paper, they have three veterans in Flame, Xmithie, and Pobelter taking on newcomers Khan, Cuzz, and BDD. Perhaps that experience will be the edge IMT needs. Or perhaps GorillA and PraY will exert dominance over IMT’s newcomers -- Cody Sun and Olleh. Which side of the map will swing harder? Just how good is NA? Or, perhaps, more poignantly -- just how good is Longzhu?

Kien Lam is a content producer for Lolesports. You can find more awful great jokes and commentary on his Twitter @meanmisterkien.

57 Comments

Smite Like Zeus11 votes

An interesting argument in thought number 4, "TSM TSM TSM". Did you think of the counter argument however? "TSM TSM TSM TSM" Just some food for thought.

AscendingPhoenix1 votes

Well played, good sir.

OutlawHunter11 votes

TSM 6-0 one of the biggest joke i've ever heard

I FK AFK1 votes

There is no Korean team, it is possible, but still WE is just little bit weaker compare to Korean teams, I don't think 6-0 is likely but it is possible.

GIFT OF LOVE1 votes

How do you get 6-0, if there's on 4 days and I only see 3 matches for each team? Then 4 days after the teams play each other once, there is knockout stage. Where does it say 6 games, cuz I don't see it, but I would like 6 matches for each team..

NVM I see it week 2 is not shown, its hidden, you guys are right nvm.

RiotMean Mister Kien4 votes

Group Stage is 2 weeks long! 3 matches this week and 3 matches next week. It's a double round robin where teams play every other team in their group twice.

Bobofolde1 votes

I really don't know if saying WE is just a little bit weaker than korean teams is truly accurate though. They preformed similarly to C9 against Lyon Gaming, which shows that at the very least they have some clear weaknesses that can be grasped. Will TSM 2-0? I don't know. Is it possible? Definitely.

Flanman1 votes

That’s why it’s a crazy prediction.

AhriSiBAE1 votes

During play-ins WE was pretty bad relative to how we were expecting...

RiotMean Mister Kien18 votes

For the record, I think it's very unlikely. But here's the case for it:

  • This is the first time -- ever -- that TSM returns the exact lineup to Worlds from the previous year. This means no Worlds newcomers. And it means they've had to endure loss together and subsequently bounce back from last year's colossal disappointment.
  • This is off the heels of a rather dominant Rift Rivals showing. Maybe EU is just weak, but before that, they actually matched up well against both the FW and WE at MSI 2017. Were they heads and shoulders above those two? No. But is it conceivable to imagine they could 2-0 both of them? Yes. It's only two games.
  • This support meta favors dominant hyper carry ADCs. Who better to have than Doublelift? The onus, for once, isn't on Bjergsen to carry TSM. The other three teams feature newcomer ADCs. All three are talented, but it's not wild to imagine they might falter under pressure. Mystic has been hyped considerably, but we saw him struggle a bit in the Group Stage.
  • If you want to stretch back even further, NA actually had the second highest win percentage at Worlds last year in the group stage. Their teams went a combined 9-9. Before that was CLG's second place finish at MSI 2016. They have been, in my opinion, trending upwards.

All that said, I want to reiterate that them going 6-0 was a "crazy" prediction. I'd be surprised if it does happen, but if it does, I will be sure to say, "I CALLED IT." :^)

GIFT OF LOVE1 votes

I think All NA teams will make it out this this year.

GIFT OF LOVE9 votes

I think All NA teams will make it out this this year.

SonicÐeHedgedawg1 votes

C9 certainly has a tough row to hoe, but it's probably THE best year in history as far as odds of it happening.... as long as IMT doesn't choke and C9 plays crazy well. TSM just needs to play average at best to make it out

Walmart Porn1 votes

id say they have a fair chance of making it second in the group to skt. just depends on which jensen shows up, happy feet jensen or dives bjergs syndra and dies jensen. Impact is strong and consistant just need to worry about how sneaky contracts and jensen show. Sneaky is not the best adc but hes good at stalling things out and not losing even if he dosnt make flashy plays 24/7 he dosnt need to win he just needs not not lose harder than jensen wins. Idk i have no faith in eu though seeing how g2 got knocked out by clg and AnX last year and fnatic barely made it in. Its 50/50 on which eu shows up. the macro play beasts or the eu that lost to na's 7th seed. They have the potential to do good but only time will tell

BigBellBrute1 votes

[{quoted}](name=FANTASTIC KEVIN,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=8p3P3sOY,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2017-10-04T01:44:09.328+0000)

I think All NA teams will make it out this this year.

They're certainly all in position to. Now they just have to do what they haven't in the past more often than not. Finish the job.

TrollFan011 votes

Add in TSM's biggest rival in the group is WE and they had a terribly early game in the groups. TSM isn't Lyon they know how to end with a lead. It's unlikely but possible.

TSM could end up going 4-2 along with WE but both of WE losses could be TOO TSM. I think that would be best.

Maszii1 votes

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Add in TSM's biggest rival in the group is WE and they had a terribly early game in the groups. TSM is Lyon they know how to end with a lead. It's unlikely but possible.

TSM could end up going 4-2 along with WE but both of WE losses could be TOO TSM. I think that would be best.

Yeah we saw that at MSI right?

TheParadoxMuse2 votes

MSI, you have to remember, was with WildTurtle who, played decent at MSI, but is not better than LiftLift

TrollFan011 votes

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Yeah we saw that at MSI right?

Different TSM. Better one now. With Wildturtle TSM split 1-1 against both FW and WE and now they have Doublelift. With DL they could 2-0 one or both of them.

Maszii1 votes

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Different TSM. Better one now. With Wildturtle TSM split 1-1 against both FW and WE and now they have Doublelift. With DL they could 2-0 one or both of them.

So where was Bjergsen in those losses?

TrollFan011 votes

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So where was Bjergsen in those losses?

There making competitive. Doublelift wasn't there to help him win. Now he is ;)

Maszii1 votes

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There making competitive. Doublelift wasn't there to help him win. Now he is ;)

The point im making is that he never shows up apart from being good in lane. He never does something to edge his team to the next level (he also doesnt screw up) while he is supposed to be the best western midlaner etc. He never takes over the game anymore like he used to do in Cw or in Season 3/4/5ish

TrollFan011 votes

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The point im making is that he never shows up apart from being good in lane. He never does something to edge his team to the next level (he also doesnt screw up) while he is supposed to be the best western midlaner etc. He never takes over the game anymore like he used to do in Cw or in Season 3/4/5ish

Bjergsen shows up for team fights. He's not a lane-only player. Bjerg has taken games like in CW.

Maszii1 votes

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Bjergsen shows up for team fights. He's not a lane-only player. Bjerg has taken games like in CW.

Yeah in CW, thats my whole point. The further he goes in his career the less carry he is doing. Even when they are losing, Bjerg is even, but rarely makes his impact known anymore.

TrollFan011 votes

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Yeah in CW, thats my whole point. The further he goes in his career the less carry he is doing. Even when they are losing, Bjerg is even, but rarely makes his impact known anymore.

Doesn't need to as much now. With Hauntzer and DL on his side now Bjerg can take more of a supportive role.

Maszii1 votes

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Doesn't need to as much now. With Hauntzer and DL on his side now Bjerg can take more of a supportive role.

Sure that's true, but still shows my point. He played Syndra today and rarely made an impact other than being a stunbot. But i guess thats what the Ardent Cancer meta is for.

TrollFan011 votes

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Sure that's true, but still shows my point. He played Syndra today and rarely made an impact other than being a stunbot. But i guess thats what the Ardent Cancer meta is for.

I think Bjerg had an off game with Syndra. He wasn't making plays like he usually does on her. Still won though so no biggie.

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

If TSM can beat each team once, then they can beat them twice.

Maszii1 votes

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If TSM can beat each team once, then they can beat them twice.

Thank you captain

B8KD6 votes

How about the fact that C9 stomped everyone in Play ins. I know its play ins but still, thats good for morale. Maybe this will finally be the year my dreams are realized of an NA finalist. #prayforNAsummoner 13

AhriSiBAE1 votes

C9 definitely surprised me with how well they played. Yeah DW and ONE were pretty weak, but Lyon was strong.

D9 Ecstasy4 votes

1907 is gonna win worlds this year.

Eleshakai6 votes

Nah, they're about a millenia too late.

Boccoboso3 votes

My Bold Prediction: All 3 NA teams make it out of group stage!! What?

Wizzer Saves3 votes

Mr Kien y you so mean? IMT has been my secret love since they released Huni to SKT (gotta love an org that supports their players ambitions like that.) MY desire for them to do well nearly guarantees at least a competitive match against LZ right?

LuluTong2 votes

<3 Love your stuff Kien![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I. I don't think SSG will even make it out of Groups this year.

II. IDK

III. The problem about GAM is that at Worlds, teams play slower instead of faster. Every Worlds are getting longer and longer in game time, no shorter. Especially when GAM faces off against FNC who are constantly in these 40+ min games at Worlds, 2014,2015 FNC are 7 games out of 12 with 40+mins.

IV. No team will go 6-0

V. IDK

VI. Doubtful, 4th time is a charm for EDG tho so? Maybe

VII. Let's not forget that Bang tends to get crazy high KDA stats and Rekkles tends to have crazy numbers also, even in losing games(KDA player), even so Perkz ( 22-17-34-2194) will be my prediction for Perkz during groups in a 4-3 2nd place G2.

VIII. I do see C9 going 1-1 against SKT in the group stage but hopefully C9 doesn't forget about SKT's other players like G2 did at MSI.

IX. SKT eliminated in the Semi-Finals

X. IDK

Darth Ted2 votes

X. If it grows a half an inch per win, it recedes a half an inch per loss. They go 3-3 and we cannot prove anything.

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

FW second place in my prediction

Nanamî1 votes

6-0 flashwolves, BRING BACK STEAK'S MAGNIFICENT AFRO

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

At least it's his afro and not something else

I FK AFK1 votes

SSG will sure 1st in group, even they look weaker than last year, but so as G2 and RNG, RNG lost their 2 key korean imports and G2 still sucks at BO1, remember G2 did get 2nd in MSI but their group performance is still bad with 4-6. I think there are 2 teams can go 6-0: SKT and LZ, both of them are in easier groups, specially LZ. Like I said...I still think G2 will be 3rd or 4th, but will not be too surprise if they get 2nd. If C9 can beat SKT, the fed one I would put "IMPACT THE TOP DIE" against huni again, impact bullied huni at the end of last year and sent huni back to korea, the top lane meta now is similar to last year during gauntlet. But overall its not likely. I think SKT will make to finals, but not winning the final, with huni poor performance and not peanut's meta.

TrollFan011 votes

It'll be something if TSM is tied with WE at 4-2 but both of WE losses are to TSM so we won't need a tie-breaker. That's a real prediction.

Alias Creus2 votes

If WE are the clear cut second best team in that group and if it's a real prediction to believe that TSM will tie with WE and go 4-2, but both of WE losses are to TSM... the only way that's possible is that WE 2-0's Flashwolves and Misfits, but TSM splits 1-1 with both Flashwolves and Misfits or 2-0's one team and gets 2-0'd by the other. Isn't that essentially saying that the chances that WE 2-0's Flashwolves and Misfits are higher than TSM's chances of 2-0'ing Flashwolves and Misfits? That's something I don't agree with. Honestly, I think WE and TSM will both 2-0 Flashwolves and Misfits, and if it's so easy to throw up WE getting 2-0'd by TSM but still tying with them 4-2 in groups considering TSM drops 2 games to other teams (which as I said, probably won't happen), I think it's just as easy for us to believe they could go 6-0.

TrollFan011 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alias Creus,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=8p3P3sOY,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:32:31.651+0000)

If WE are the clear cut second best team in that group and if it's a real prediction to believe that TSM will tie with WE and go 4-2, but both of WE losses are to TSM... the only way that's possible is that WE 2-0's Flashwolves and Misfits, but TSM splits 1-1 with both Flashwolves and Misfits or 2-0's one team and gets 2-0'd by the other. Isn't that essentially saying that the chances that WE 2-0's Flashwolves and Misfits are higher than TSM's chances of 2-0'ing Flashwolves and Misfits? That's something I don't agree with. Honestly, I think WE and TSM will both 2-0 Flashwolves and Misfits, and if it's so easy to throw up WE getting 2-0'd by TSM but still tying with them 4-2 in groups considering TSM drops 2 games to other teams (which as I said, probably won't happen), I think it's just as easy for us to believe they could go 6-0.

All of this is possible. I was just going for the most amusing of scenarios.

PrinceKO1 votes

No way TSM goes 6-0, but could go 5-1 to secure first place. Team WE will most likely beat them once, probably go 2-0 vs. Misfits, Flash Wolves will be the wild card here. They don't look particular strong, but need to see anecdotal evidence from their first game to grasp the skill difference between these two

cookiesforu1 votes

I wish you didn't chose to write this article the way you did. It could have actually been good instead of a meme'y waste of time meant to appeal to the masses. Feels like I wasted time by clicking on it....

Faux Support1 votes

Fuckkk this article was great. Talented writing. Most hyped I've felt for worlds!!!!!

Sneaky Fast1 votes

I hope an NA team wins worlds, but I think you can go ahead and give it to Longzhu. I thought this before Worlds, and the struggles of SKT and Samsung seem to confirm it. I have a soft spot for Misfits since most people rated them so low.

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