I'm probably going to be hated but I actually like the new death timer, to watch atleast.

Rain NT·Apr 17, 2016·2 votes·777 views

Its more like tradition sport that way, I always thought there was this huge problem in their competitive scene. There was no way for a come back win in this game...** Once you start snowballing even a little bit, most of the time you can just continue that snowball all the way til the end**. OR you get to a certain lead and keep it there til a key moment to capitalize and win off of that one play because the other team always have to play defensive.** And even if they did manage to kill you**, since you build up all that lead you can just tone/slow down the game and wait for the other opponent to make a mistake cause now the map is more open (presume that they took turrets after killing you).

Historically, League has always favoured the early game champions or the early game teams. Team that arent scared to make plays even with mid-late game champions. Because teams that tends to snowball or capitalize well in the early game tends to win the game. So you usually always know when a team is going to win by the first 20-25mins. Then either the team with the advantage will kill them all within 30mins of the game, OR the opposing team has to wait out 50mins until late game (if they drafted late game) to even has a chance of winning and even then they can still lose.

With these new death timers even if you have a huge lead, the pros cant be stupid with the leads they have. If they want to win they have to use the lead they have and play it with great caution even though they are ahead and not just mindlessly dive and win the game cause they have a 5k adv. Now they actually have to think, what is the most efficient move or teamfight before processing.

Its like basketball, there is always a way to get comeback.. If I'm going to use basketball terms, its like if the Golden State Warriors 20 points down and then Steph Curry-Klay Thompson hit 6 3 pointers and 4 2s to comeback and win the game. There is always a chance of a huge comeback, a huge upset, and always a way to win even in bad situations, instead of a slim chance of pulling that off.

17 Comments

PDE5 InhibApr 17, 20161 votes

Most people would argue that long death timers reduce that chance significantly. Before, if you were behind and died, you could come back on the map. Now when you are behind and die, GG.

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

True, but I guess for me its more acceptable to see a losing team lose. If given they have a higher chance to win. Like if you think about even before if they are back on the map sooner, they are still way behind cause they have lost anyway.

And even if the winning team made a mistake and die, they usually still cant win because they cant end and are still behind.

I kinda like the fact, it put pressure on both team NOT to die. Around 25-35 mins will be clutch time, one mistake and that can be thrown either way. Given a team too much room to breathe within those minutes and baam the game is gone, give Steph Curry too much room in the fourth quarter and he'll rain 10 3s on you. Much better to watch imo, the only other problem I have with league is the constant lane swapping, its horrendous to watch. >.>

The DeckownerApr 17, 20161 votes

old death timer: lots of action, aggressive moves, snowbally and competitive games.

new death timer: 30 minute farm feast one teamfight wins the entire game.

btw for your "have to not be stupid even with lead" theory, IMT in regular season is probably biggest offender. they often fuck up but due to them being crazy fed it doesnt matter much.

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

Yeah but H2K had a 5 k lead and was like up 7 to 2 in kills and with one bad teamfight, they lose 5 turrets inhib and nexus all in that one play lol even though Fnatic was practically losing everything for 35mins before that. Like everything all outer turrets and herald buffs and one dragon buff was taken away as well and one baron if memory serves me right, and BAMM Big comeback win cause of one mistake.

Same with IMT, they were 7 kills up with baron against TSM in the playoff first game and one mistake cost them the entire game after that.

The DeckownerApr 17, 20161 votes

why are u using the FNC game as an example? EVERYONE is using that game as an example of showing how death timer is broken/turret is weaker than paper. They literally facetanked every single turret in 30 second and destroyed the nexus. THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. the win was not excited at all and no one was happy about it. as krepo(one of the eu guy on desk) said it was not what we wanna see from a pro game.

And why do u also bring up the IMT VS TSM game holy crap top lucian 3 adc comp WTF? it doesnt matter what lead they have they got no front line and after maokai get some armor TSM wins 100%. It was a fucked up game with a lucian top it is meant to lose.

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

All the Fnatic fans were happy which is a bigger Org than H2K. So trust, a lot of people were happy, I know I was atleast. I thought they were gonna lose for sure cause H2K had a better early game comp and was playing pretty well. Now if H2K drafted a late game focused comp and STILL won even with the advantage early, I would have called BS. But they didnt, their comp was made to win early and they did. If you are going to draft a full early game comp with the exception of Ryze than you better not make a mistake. Thats why I love the Fnatic vs H2k game. Shows both late game comp vs early game comp, and now early game domination or late game comebacks are much more often now. Which is good for the game... Only reason why Krepo wasnt pleased is because he is an old school player, since playing from beta I know that if you have that kind of lead early YOU SHOULD NOT LOSE no matter what, even if you lost 1 teamfight. Cause you had more turrets more neutral objectives and more gold in general and more map control. Thats old school mentality, win early game and you have the highest chance of winning. But its not like that anymore if you have an early game comp you have a 65% chance of losing if you successfully win early game and 35% of losing. Where before it used to be around 75% chance of winning if you win early game.

The DeckownerApr 17, 20161 votes

ryze, poppy, kindred, all of them have very good mid and late game scaling, not sure why u consider that a early game comp. spirit just didn't have as much early game presence as h2k's kindred. he did nothing but counter jungling and farming, which caused the adc support in top lane to lose first tier tower and eventusally caused rekkles to fall behind because he couldnt farm safely.

You are a FNC fan boy, your opinion is biased. Any NA people who aren't fan of either team will call this bullshit.

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

Because those champs are better early compare to their counterpart they were up against. Poppy beats Maokai at all stages of the game. Ryze can kill Azir at level 6-18 if Fnatic team wasnt there to help Febiven the entire game. Kindred has one of the most early game kills for EVERY REGION because of her high damage early+stacks. Also H2K bot lane was HEAVILY favoured into them with Corki Braum compare to Ezreal Trundle.

Yes I am a Fnatic fan, but I'm also a league player. I have seen a bunch of problems with league before for playing this game for so long. And it has a been awhile for this where its not late game centric or early game centric. Both early or late game team comp can lose, and that is AN EXTREMELY good thing. I'm not saying that the game is perfect, but having good comebacks for bad mistakes make this game more exciting . And if youre going to be rude and call me bias even though I am not, I would have been fine with H2K losing as well if they didnt make their mistake. So if you are, then I rather not respond to this. theres no point to argue about something where we clearly dont see eye to eye.

And if you tell me if I like the meta atm, I DO NOT like it cause I have lost so many cause of mistakes in game. But even then I look at the bigger picture, if my team made the mistake even though we are clearly ahead, we deserve to lose even though I hate it cause my team still has the gold lead. The same thing with traditional sport, you can be winning for 85% of the game but if you mess up at the 25% end of that game, then you still have the chance to lose. Like TMac Reggi Miller 10+ points in less than 10s in basketball, AN ESPORT GAME SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE A COMEBACK POTENTIAL TO IT, or it should never dream to ever stand side by side with traditional sport. And Riot wants League of Legend to be part of the tradition sport so they can make more money, less pro players with less than minimum wage because they arent stars players or arent in big organization.

There are players that leave school, college, their full time job, time with their families, wife, kids to play this game professionally. If they are going to leave that all behind to play this game, THEY DESERVE more than minimum wage. And to make this game more of a traditional sport is the way to do it. I will vouche for them everytime, I want this game to become as big as football, as big as basketball and other sports. And this is how I see things, not just for my comfort with this game.

The DeckownerApr 17, 20161 votes

Because those champs are better early compare to their counterpart they were up against. Poppy beats Maokai at all stages of the game. Ryze can kill Azir at level 6-18 if Fnatic team wasnt there to help Febiven the entire game.

What you said is literally against yourself. If poppy is better than maokai all stages of the game and ryze can kill azir after lv6 how are they better early? sort your logic before you actually make a post.

All the Fnatic fans were happy which is a bigger Org than H2K. So trust, a lot of people were happy, I know I was atleast.

Not biased?

And if you tell me if I like the meta atm, I DO NOT like it cause I have lost so many cause of mistakes in game. But even then I look at the bigger picture, if my team made the mistake even though we are clearly ahead, we deserve to lose even though I hate it cause my team still has the gold lead. The same thing with traditional sport, you can be winning for 85% of the game but if you mess up at the 25% end of that game, then you still have the chance to lose. Like TMac Reggi Miller 10+ points in less than 10s in basketball, AN ESPORT GAME SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE A COMEBACK POTENTIAL TO IT, or it should never dream to ever stand side by side with traditional sport. And Riot wants League of Legend to be part of the tradition sport so they can make more money, less pro players with less than minimum wage because they arent stars players or arent in big organization.There are players that leave school, college, their full time job, time with their families, wife, kids to play this game professionally. If they are going to leave that all behind to play this game, THEY DESERVE more than minimum wage. And to make this game more of a traditional sport is the way to do it. I will vouche for them everytime, I want this game to become as big as football, as big as basketball and other sports. And this is how I see things, not just for my comfort with this game.

Another guy trying to turn league of legend into football league, someone give him some medicine.

What you are saying is basically this: It's ok to fuck up early, as long as we have a comp that doesn't punish our own mistakes that hard (ie low cd waveclear). we can drag the game out and wait til the precise enemy comp(ie long cd powerful ability) fuck up and we will win due to extremely long death timers.

So it is OK for a scaling game comp to fuck up early and it's NOT OK for an early game comp(if you even count that as one) to fuck up in any stages of the game.

"GREAT LOGIC, NOT BIASED AT ALL."

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

That last game where Fnatic won off of one teamfight was the game H2k PLAYED POPPY. So yes Poppy is better at all stages against Maokai so H2K up 1 in top lane.

Ryze vs Azir, Ryze and Azir cant kill eachother from 1-5. BUT RYZE CAN KILL AZIR AFTER 6. So H2K mid lane up 1.

Jungle matchup is even.

Bot lane matchup H2K up another 1. So H2K is up 3-1 in terms who which champions are better early-mid game.

Yes I am not biased.

NO I AM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY TO FUCKED UP EARLY, If Fnatic fucked up and get killed 10 times within 20 mins, fine they deserve to lose. But If they are only down 4 kills.. ONLY 4 FUCKING KILLS AGAINST A TEAM THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BEAT THEM DOWN EARLY. I'll take that as going EVEN, if you dont get crushed early by a better comp early with a late game team comp THEN YES IF SOMEHOW THE OTHER TEAM FUCK UP AND DOESNT EVEN KILL ONE PERSON ON YOUR TEAM WITH a 5k LEAD?!!?!!! THEY WERE UP 5KKKKKK AND THEY FUCKED UP LOL WITH 0 KILLS. Thats the mistake im talking about. Yes I am indeed logic, if Fnatic got fucked cause all lanes has a losing matchup, thats their fucking fault. But ITS DEFINITELY H2K FAULT for losing even with a 5k lead THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ATLEAST 8k cause they have had more farm and more kills and more neutral objectives CAUSE EVERY LANE HAD A WINNING MATCHUP. You cant go and make a mistake like that with THAT COMP and GET 0 KILLS. They didnt kill Azir that kills turrets fast, They didnt kill Ezreal thats an ADC and buffs everyoen attack speed, AND THEY ALSO DIDNT EVEN KILL GRAVES... Like damn.. you left 3 champions alive that kills turrets fast WITH A CHUNK OF GOLD LEAD. Yes from a logically point of view, they should lose if they fuck up like that.

The DeckownerApr 17, 20161 votes

Poppy counters all tanks Maokai Kindred Graves skill match up, but Kindred had more presence while Graves afk farm Ryze can kill Azir ? wtf? For real Ryze shouldn't never be able to touch Azir in a solo 1v1 due to azir's range and ult disengage. Ryze shouldn't be able to land his w without flashing, even then azir ults and ryze will get pushed away can will be too far to land any ability on azir. (and feb was playing oriana wtf are u even talking about) Corki is better than Ezreal in ALL STAGES OF THE GAME

H2K OUTDRAFTED FNC

NO I AM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY TO FUCKED UP EARLY, If Fnatic fucked up and get killed 10 times within 20 mins, fine they deserve to lose. But If they are only down 4 kills.. ONLY 4 FUCKING KILLS AGAINST A TEAM THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BEAT THEM DOWN EARLY. I'll take that as going EVEN, if you dont get crushed early by a better comp early with a late game team comp THEN YES IF SOMEHOW THE OTHER TEAM FUCK UP AND DOESNT EVEN KILL ONE PERSON ON YOUR TEAM WITH a 5k LEAD?!!?!!! THEY WERE UP 5KKKKKK AND THEY FUCKED UP LOL WITH 0 KILLS. Thats the mistake im talking about. Yes I am indeed logic, if Fnatic got fucked cause all lanes has a losing matchup, thats their fucking fault. But ITS DEFINITELY H2K FAULT for losing even with a 5k lead THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ATLEAST 8k cause they have had more farm and more kills and more neutral objectives CAUSE EVERY LANE HAD A WINNING MATCHUP. You cant go and make a mistake like that with THAT COMP and GET 0 KILLS. They didnt kill Azir that kills turrets fast, They didnt kill Ezreal thats an ADC and buffs everyoen attack speed, AND THEY ALSO DIDNT EVEN KILL GRAVES... Like damn.. you left 3 champions alive that kills turrets fast WITH A CHUNK OF GOLD LEAD. Yes from a logically point of view, they should lose if they fuck up like that.

FNC didn't fuck up early game????? 5K gold lead! how many kill is that? 5000/300=16.6 kills!

How did they not fuck up early game?

They lost all inner turrets, due to their fucked up rotation between lanes. They lasted so long because oriana and graves safe long range waveclear, not because they played well.

RYZE fucked up and got oneshotted, that is why the fight was lost.

BIASED FAN BOY

iamleburkApr 17, 20161 votes

The thing is, certain team excel at snowballing leads. It's an interesting style, I think SKT is one team that does it the best. ROX and G2 also have a style something like that, where they roam the map looking to pick people off, try to get into the enemies mind and let them make a mistake then BAM two kills and a turret go down.

Other teams excel at turtling and stalling. H2K does this, but so does OG, Jin Air, CJ Entus, and occasionally KT. Jin Air imo is the best at turtling in the world. SKT does something similar; SKT usually doesn't do anything early game. When they snowball a lead, that lead comes from their immaculate mid game. JIn AIr turtle for late game, SKT turtles for mid game.

Turtling actually isn't that great in the current meta, because the current meta is all about well executed dives. That's because of weak turrets, damage junglers, and tank tops.

Rain NTApr 17, 20161 votes

"Turtling actually isn't that great in the current meta, because the current meta is all about well executed dives. That's because of weak turrets, damage junglers, and tank tops."

Thats why its good that team can lose, if you can survive a dive team comp with a lead where is Meta is favoured for them because it is a dive meta. Then you deserve to win if you get the chance.

iamleburkApr 17, 20161 votes

This is true. The game still favors early aggression, but most teams aren't able to play that aggression to perfection.