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RNG and SSG join the final eight

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It’s 2014 again as Samsung Galaxy crushes its opposition en route to a Quarterfinals berth -- alongside a Royal Never Give Up squad riding on the ups and downs of Uzi.

Samsung Galaxy displayed one of the most dominant set of  performances of the Worlds 2016 Group Stages yet -- after a drawn out match against TSM, they crashed into Royal Never Give Up and Splyce like a meteor with two 23 minute victories.

It looked liked RNG had tilted off the Worlds stage entirely after being upset by Splyce -- and then thumped by SSG. But they controlled their destinies thanks to beating TSM last week -- giving them the head-to-head tiebreaker if they won again. For the third straight day, the group wasn’t decided until the last game. Fans on both sides knew immediately that the winner of RNG vs. TSM would be the deciding matchup -- everything else seemed like an extended, tense appetizer.

For TSM -- it was everything. Coming off a dominant split that saw them reclaim the NA LCS crown, they were pegged as one of the top teams in the world. For RNG, it was Uzi’s return to the Worlds stage. They were a team that boasted immense individual talent but struggled with team cohesion. Then, backed into a corner, they showed no mercy for the American faithful. There would be no Hollywood ending. RNG ended TSM’s season with muscle -- the bulk of which was provided by Uzi.

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That SSG was the 3rd seed from the LCK region should tell you everything you need to know about whether “the gap” is closing or not. Two teams from Korea have now finished atop their groups as we head to the Quarterfinals with reigning champion SK Telecom T1 to go. Here’s what we otherwise learned from Group D:

  • Samsung Galaxy is going to draw target bans in the Quarterfinals -- Crown played a staggering number of Viktor games during the LCK Summer Split, and it was cautioned as a must-ban against him. It became immediately apparent as to why when he opened the day by solo-killing Bjergsen’s Zilean and then batted him around for the rest of the match. Their two wins over RNG and SPY were the fastest wins of the tournament -- it seems SSG have shifted into hyper-drive as they move closer to the Knockout Stage.

  • Royal Never Give Up would queue up for ARAM if that were an option -- this is a team that loves team fighting the way Twitch chat loves memes. It might not always make sense, but it’s fun. Today, they showed the world what they’re capable of: complete head scratchers against SPY and SSG, followed by pure brute force over TSM. It seems if Uzi can get rolling, then the team can rally behind him. It’s like watching a boxer who only knows how to throw haymakers. When it lands, it’s devastating and so fun to watch. But when it misses, the momentum can throw them entirely out of the ring.

  • 0-10 was heartbreaking, but by the 7th or 8th loss, the NA faithful had become accustomed to the pain. There wasn’t ever doubt as to where the nail would eventually sit. For TSM this year to be knocked out on the final match of their year, though? This is something else. There were blind invades and bot lane gaffes. Even Bjergsen got solo killed. A lot of their struggles resulted from mechanical misplays -- perhaps a product of the pressure. This was the most hyped North American team ever. They dreamed of not just Chicago, but New York and yes, even Los Angeles. But they go home now. There are no excuses. No results. They’ll be back, though. They always come back.

  • In the broad context of the year, Splyce’s tournament appearance was incredible when compared to being nearly relegated after the EU Spring Split. This, of course, might not be much consolation -- they frequently looked outmatched and outpaced on the Worlds stage. They’ll need to identify their strongest path to victory -- be it through Trashy or Wunder or someone else -- and sharpen that element. But consistency comes with experience, and SPY now has the off-season to reflect and grow.

Now only two spots remain as the Group Stage looks to conclude tomorrow. Four Chinese and Korean teams have already advanced with two more to go in SKT and I May. The Worlds Stage may figuratively shrink in addition to cutting its field in half. The hosts still have one team to place their hopes on though -- will Cloud9 temper the heartbreak, or will it find new ways to break? Find out tomorrow at 1 PM PT.  

88 Comments

AlchemyOverlord12 votes

༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ C9 TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ

FennaHD3 votes

Daddy Sneaky will show em!

clamyboy192 votes

Body those fools

jodobo2 votes

SKT is gonna get up in the dirt 6 feet under.

Anakin The Weird10 votes

None of this matters. We all know deep down that SKT will just win it all again [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Anakin The Weird3 votes

I already know I'm going to get downvoted to hell and back, but everyone reading be sure to come back after the finals so we can all have a nice I-told-you-so session.

ßigeyevo3 votes

ANX HYPE TRAIN!!! 10/10 they make it to top 4. I'm srs though, they can do it. As soon as they hit top four it'll be them and the three korean teams though (lol) and they'll lose

TheSequelsRBad3 votes

If ANX gets VERY lucky, and gets H2K in quarters, they could legit get semis.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Idk who will win but not skt I am feeling it.

Summachos7 votes

"You are not ennobled by victory in a contest, nor are you denigrated by defeat, rather, it is how you prepare, how you compete; and perhaps most importantly, how you react to victory and defeat, which is the true indication of your character." -Dick Glover

I am in no way disappointed with TSM. Take heart! This does not define you! Choose to get back up, and grow; don't let anger and defeat spoil excellent character!

We still stand with you.

KazaLyn Shao3 votes

{quoted}

"You are not ennobled by victory in a contest, nor are you denigrated by defeat, rather, it is how you prepare, how you compete; and perhaps most importantly, how you react to victory and defeat, which is the true indication of your character." -Dick Glover

I am in no way disappointed with TSM. Take heart! This does not define you! Choose to get back up, and grow; don't let anger and defeat spoil excellent character!

We still stand with you.

Yes, EU said that last year, and now most of their region is garbage and only the one team no one had any faith in pulled off a miracle, but how long can that last? All other EU teams went down 1-5. That's what's in store for us next year.

Summachos3 votes

You know I've been sitting here thinking of how to respond and somehow remain positive, but I won't lie to myself. You may be 100% correct, we may be in store for another terrible next year for NA; But if we accept that as fact before it's even happened we certainly wont get the results we want. How do we respond? By declaring next year as a defeat before it's even begun? No. That doesn't help anyone.

TSM holds themselves to a high standard, and I do not expect them to fall off because of this year's loss. Maybe it's a false hope, and I'm all the fool for having it; But I'm not willing to give up on NA or TSM.

We lost. The only thing we can control now, is how we respond to that loss. Everything else is out of our hands.

s1Mvp6 votes

I believe when NA stop being cocky and be humble, then they will advance to quarters.

KazaLyn Shao4 votes

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I believe when NA stop being cocky and be humble, then they will advance to quarters.

NA who? The fans or the teams? Because none of the teams are cocky, really. They can't be. They don't win anything. The fans have absolutely no impact on that.

Gaxx D3 votes

NA teams are always cocky. Or delusional. I didn't bother to follow the pre-worlds trash-talk this year, but last year after CLG's win in summer split Darshan saying that "this time they think they can take it all" just show how delusional NA pro players are. Everyone with half a brain knew, how incredibly weak NA was last year. Like I said, I don't know about this year, but we're talking Doublelift. This kid is always cocky.

MrHaZeYo6 votes

Do you not know how sports work? Saying "this time we think we can take it all" isn't cocky, it's called having faith in one's self. If they said "We probably won't make it out of groups but we're happy to just compete" then they basically all ready lost. If you have to have confidence to make it up the ladder to be the best, if not you've already lost. To be one of the top sixteen teams in the world should be awesome enough, but you have to keep working and stay confident to keep going.

ßigeyevo2 votes

No, I'm with Gaxx here. As an outsider (OCE) it's the major fault with most American sports. Lots of talent, but can't play as a team because they're too focussed on individual play. Look at the mentality of the dominant Asian teams. It's not 'we went 17-1 in summers, top 4 worlds, gg ez'. Their mentality is: 'this isn't our final form, keep on pushing, keep on playing as a team. And look, they dominate. And at this high level, it's all mentality. Anyone can hit a cs or press r as a fed syndra at worlds, but it's about recognising that you are playing with people as good as, or better than you, then using that to motivate yourself.

TL:DR - Do the Korean teams think they're good? Yes. Do they assume that because they did well in LCK that they have free ride to finals? No fucking way.

Gaxx D2 votes

Pretty much this. You remember G2 abysmall showing in week first? Even after that someone from Rox who was being interviewed (don't remember who it was, Pray perhaps?) said, that he thinks G2 are a very strong team, and they'll have to do their best to advance. Huhi (who's Korean) also said, that he thinks G2 is a very good team, they are just having trouble showing it on the stage. That's the difference in upbringing. NA players are cocky, because they think it's the right thing to do, to stir up fans, trash talk other regions... and then fail. It's like that every year. By now it should be quite obvious, that they can't walk the walk. And sorry, but if you wanna refer to real sports, then most of the athletes that are/were trashtalkers usually could prove something on the stage.

GumaSushi3 votes

I mean... people were saying tsm is going to win world.... don't say they weren't "serious" like u guys said Jensen wasn't serious about his twitt.

AGreatBigGoose2 votes

At least Jensen learned his lesson after Faker smacked some sense back into him. I get the feeling he won't do it twice in the second game.

RiotMean Mister Kien11 votes

I think NA came into this with a very level head actually. In my interview with Doublelift, he mentioned a lot the hype overblown, and that Eastern teams were still as dominant as ever.

Yxgl222HaX4 votes

Harambe diddn't die for this.

The ExpIorer4 votes

Called it that TSM wasn't even going to make it out of groups, and people saying they were going to 6-0 lol.

Real Devil Z3 votes

I didn't see the game, but both tsm and rng are 3-3, no tie breaker?

Nnthing3 votes

Cause RNG win TSM twice.

ymob4 votes

cause rng vs tsm is 2:0

ModPrandine6 votes

Because RNG beat TSM twice in a row (once last week and once this week) they own the tiebreaker over TSM.

PrepList2 votes

I was wondering the same thing...why does the record between the two teams cancel out both teams being 3-3?

SloreDemon2 votes

that's how record tiebreakers are done in most sports. You look at the head-to-head, and then if it's still tied you play a tiebreaker match.

alkthegreat3 votes

Yeah im not sure how that works both H2K and EDG had a tie break for 1 and 2nd as well as ANX and ROX tigers but for who gets to get out of groups the theres no tie breaker that doesn't seem fair at all. I would have thought tie breakers to see who gets 2nd would be more important than to see who comes 1st.

Ziqster2 votes

That's because H2K and EDG tied 1-1 in their group matches, as did ANX and ROX, so they needed a tie breaker. Here, RNG beat TSM in both their games, so no tie break was needed.

DoktorKaiser4 votes

Both ANX/ROX and H2K/EDG beat each other while RNG destroyed TSM both times, thats why they dont get the tiebreaker, pretty much works like any regular sport :S

Aweembaway3 votes

RNG beat TSM 2-0 during these last 2 weeks. they own the head to head against TSM so they automatically advance

Colombo164 votes

RNG won both games vs TSM, so they win the head to head. No tiebreaker needed

GumaSushi3 votes

honestly... I don't know y TSM picked lucian braum and jayce in last game against RNG. They already lost to them before, so they should of picked something defensive in lane and good in late game with good teamfight comp. Jayce lost his lane, braum and lucian lost their lane too. I don't know y they expected doublelift to win against uzi and mata in lane. Yes, there were lots of ganks in bot lane, but they should of known that RNG focus on uzi to carry. They got punished for not taking control of sight in bottom lane.

deadlyrabbits342 votes

All I see here is how NA is too cocky, but C9 hasn't said anything cocky yet they are just happy to be there... I root for CLG and TSM but I'm very happy for what C9 has done and what they bring to the table as a team #C9love

PKThunder2471 votes

Which is surprising. Meteos is notorious for being a king of bm. I think C9 learned their lesson though after being way too cocky at Season 3 and disrespecting Fnatic who humbled them.

OHH He Got It1 votes

Riot WTF is this rule system. Best of 1 game? This is in effect when we know that a "best of one" isn't actually a true determination of two teams skills. No tie breaker with an equal win loss rate? Please. Who the hell comes up with these rules. I'm honestly done with worlds now. This is a joke.

Cronovey5 votes

Except it was two best of one games, or in other words a total of 2 games...which constitutes a win in the best of 3 format. Essentially, RNG has already beaten TSM in a Bo3 matchup without dropping a game. I hope to see NA teams succeed as well, but there's no reason to make RNG who already beat TSM twice have to play a third game against the same team when they've already proven not once but twice that they're the better team.

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Gaxx D7 votes

This system would make sense why exactly? Ooooh, because then TSM would advance. Got it. Let's make some overly complicated dumb shit just to benefit an NA team who clearly didn't deserve to advance, instead of following format that every sport in the entire world follows.

justoh1 votes

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AGreatBigGoose7 votes

No it isn't. That format you're talking about, at least as far as hockey goes, is only for the regular season. And even then situations where teams win regular seasons but collapse in playoffs are nothing new. Exhibit A: 2012 NHL Playoffs, where the Los Angeles Kings (6th Seed) defeated the Vancouver Canucks (1st Seed).

Double round-robin tournaments are much more fair. Magic: the Gathering tournaments do this, too. Fencing tournaments around the world use a round robin system, too.

I know you're having trouble trying to compartmentalize, but revamping the system to this degree is unfair to every other team, including CLG and Cloud9. I will not let you handicap the rest of NA just because TSM threw away their game against SSG and had no answer for Uzi's Ezreal.

FennaHD3 votes

Preach brother. TSM had a hard group but clearly didn't deserve to move up. Specially given the insane delusional expectations by their fans. TSM lost every game to RNG. It would make no sense to have a tie breaker and TSM to move ahead being 1-2 to the other team. Let's get real guys.

MVpmack1 votes

MTG tournaments actually use swiss draft, which is a bit different - and quite a bit better - than round robin. The only reason Riot keeps doing round robin tournaments is because they think the viewership is too stupid to understand double elim or swiss draft.

Ricketts2 votes

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Actually that is the system most sports go by... how do you think team north america got kicked out of the groups on world cup of hockey... by the system i just put up you dont advance beating the bottom. RNG never even pulled a game off SSG

World Cup of Hockey? You dig to find the most irregular international sports tournament to find tiebreaker rules to justify your team advancing. Seriously, give it up fanboy. TSM is all hype and flop.

justoh1 votes

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Ricketts4 votes

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I didnt dig it up i already knew and i would honestly say the same thing for rng if it were the other way around or any team in that matter.

Smells like bull. Seriously, that is an oddly obscure tiebreaker method by a tournament held every six to ten years depending on NHL lockouts. Head to head is simple and works.

SonaNewbie2 votes

Is there any reason why beating SSG would worth 4 points? You can do the same system with 3 points and both TSM and RNG will end up the same 5 points. Also, the scoring system has a lot that does not make sense. If there a team that should worth 4 points, it should be TSM for being a first seed, while SSG and RNG should worth 2 points for being 2nd seed.

SloreDemon2 votes

his scoring system is based on final position at the end of groups. Basically 4 teams so 1st is worth 4, 2nd 3, and so on. It;s a dumb idea and an after the fact rule change. TSM could have won and gone straight through or lost and gone home. Head to head works because it minimalizes redundancy. Given RNG beating TSM twice out of 2 matches, a third match as a tiebreaker would be redundant, small sample size not withstanding. Head to head ensures that the teams are evenly matched for a tiebreaker to be played. Furthermore, TSM lost both games today by themselves really. Game 1 bjerg uncharacteristically getting trashed in lane and then Game 3 DL and Bio decide to clear a ward in a highly questionable decision that ended up giving Uzi 3 kills pre 10 minutes. Not to mention svenskeren was playing badly this week/day and TSM's draft in the third game was bad/dumb. That's why it's important you win all the games you can and never lose to the same team twice. If anything, the shortcoming of the world's group stage format is that too few games are played for Head-to-head to be statistically accurate, but thats a different argument entirely. Since the premise is not to have long days of tiebreakers, the current tiebreaker method is effective and simple and fair, mostly.

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