I was bored and made a power rankings for worlds

gubigubi·Sep 4, 2017·2 votes·1,655 views

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I guessed that CLG and Fnatic get 3rd seed.

Even though SKT lost the LCK finals I'm not going to be one to bet against them.

So what do you all think? What would a ranking look like if you made it? Who do you think will make it out of play in stage/groups/win the whole thing?

[fiora-cool] I personally just hope to see some upsets and some Fiora picks :^)!

Edit: I forgot to add Gambit some how. Here is with them added. I personally hope they can make it all the way to the knock out round but for now I'm placing them under Rampage.

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30 Comments

archerno1Sep 4, 20172 votes

You are very optimistic about tsm

gubigubiSep 4, 20171 votes

I think their place is fairly well deserved. Maybe If I would change things around I would put WE above them. But I think which group they get drawn into is going to matter a lot but I'd still expect them to be able to get out of groups this year.

As far as NA teams go I'm personally going for IMT.

ChompyWulfSep 4, 20172 votes

I think overall IMT has better odds of getting out of groups than TSM. TSM nearly always crumples at Worlds, and I have faith that overall IMT has better teamwork to perform at a higher level in group stages.

JavelinJoeSep 4, 20171 votes

Usually TSM has to face a death group too. But this split has looked very good for them and the meta is in their favor to an extent where ADCs are aggressive not utility based and Mids can be damage dealers or supportive champions (not forced to pick one or the other) Supports have options too, not just Lulu and Karma. Also, team fighting is now a focus where winning early does not mean winning the game as much anymore.

Unless Riot decides to do another forced meta shift 2 weeks before worlds, again, they should be looking alright (depending on who their group is made up of to an extent).

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20171 votes

Typically Riot does patches or meta shifts to keep teams on their toes, should be no different this year, in which typically puts TSM in a bind because it's no secret as it's been said numerous times for years " TSM is a slow team when adapting to a new meta".
I personally hate when Riot releases a new meta/patch literally like you said 2-3 weeks before Worlds in which really puts the Western teams at an already disadvantage cause we're much slower to react to whats good and not good, so instead we just copy paste Korea in which at that point, we've already lost. " often imitated never duplicated" figure of speak, best way for TSM to really get out of groups(in which I think they will) is to find out what's good and study LCK etc, but really do their own thing and style and not 100% imitate Korea, 6 years of doing so and it hasn't turned out in our favor, so maybe a different approach is need for once ?

ChompyWulfSep 4, 20171 votes

I reject the "death group" claims that are used to defend TSM falling apart just about every Worlds.

NA is one of the big four regions. Nobody will dispute Korea is King, and China has had some limelight, but at least EU has seen teams push into semifinals. Never so for NA, which is even more embarrassing for an alleged powerhouse. They've only once won their way to Quarters before being bounced out. That's consistently failing, no excuses. That's why I'm hoping IMT makes a big splash, sick of TSM, C9, and CLG flopping.

BigBellBruteSep 11, 20171 votes

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I reject the "death group" claims that are used to defend TSM falling apart just about every Worlds.

NA is one of the big four regions. Nobody will dispute Korea is King, and China has had some limelight, but at least EU has seen teams push into semifinals. Never so for NA, which is even more embarrassing for an alleged powerhouse. They've only once won their way to Quarters before being bounced out. That's consistently failing, no excuses. That's why I'm hoping IMT makes a big splash, sick of TSM, C9, and CLG flopping.

Me too. Splyce was probably one of the easiest teams to have in the group. The only group not a hard group last year was the one without a Korean team in it. And No NA team drew that group.

The LexerSep 4, 20172 votes

Firstly, as JavelinJoe said, TSM always gets a really hard group (KT/LGD/OG two years ago, RNG/SSG/SPY last year), so if they get a luckier draw they will likely get out of groups. Secondly, IMT is in the same boat TSM was last year, where they always get early leads, but have never had to play from behind. Against tougher competition, they may struggle, as they won't gain their leads as easily. TSM just came back from a 10k gold deficit, so they have proven they now know how to come from behind. IMT have yet to prove that.

ChompyWulfSep 5, 20171 votes

Haha haha.....oh wait, you're serious? OK Every group at Worlds has essentially been a death group. Aside from wildcard teams, they have been top 2 or 3 teams in their region in EVERY GROUP. While a couple teams might have a flop or surge, NO group is to be taken lightly. NA gets three seeds, and TSM has always been #1 or #2 for the region, but they have never even made Semis. Either TSM just sucks for international tournaments, or NA #1-3 is worth less than regions that get 2 or less seeds.

Stop the excuses and just admit these teams have been awful internationally.

Oh, and IMT has played games from behind, but frankly Flame has been an awful disappointment after 15minutes in the tank meta. It has drastically limited the protection for Cody Sun/Pobelter or the initiation and danger for their team. If the tank meta holds, IMT will struggle unless Flame has been holding onto a better tank pocket pick all split.

BigBellBruteSep 11, 20171 votes

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Firstly, as JavelinJoe said, TSM always gets a really hard group (KT/LGD/OG two years ago, RNG/SSG/SPY last year), so if they get a luckier draw they will likely get out of groups. Secondly, IMT is in the same boat TSM was last year, where they always get early leads, but have never had to play from behind. Against tougher competition, they may struggle, as they won't gain their leads as easily. TSM just came back from a 10k gold deficit, so they have proven they now know how to come from behind. IMT have yet to prove that.

Only one group last year was relatively easy and that was the group without a single NA or Korean team in it. Stop making excuses for TSM. They haven't got it done.

BigBellBruteSep 11, 20171 votes

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I think overall IMT has better odds of getting out of groups than TSM. TSM nearly always crumples at Worlds, and I have faith that overall IMT has better teamwork to perform at a higher level in group stages.

Much will depend upon who is in their group. If IMT draws #1 China, SKT, and #3 Taiwan, I'm not going to like their chances.
Conversely, if they avoid a Korean team all together, get G2 (chokers) Gigabyte Marines, and #3 China or Taiwan then I'm going to like their chances very much.

ChompyWulfSep 12, 20171 votes

It may also depend on meta changes. I'm also worried about Flame. He had a big lead in that game 4 against TSM and couldn't turn it into anything. His champion pool also seems really shallow. He most often is J4, Renek, with a little Shen or Rumble. His best games this split were before the tank meta when his fighters of choice were more relevant, and he hasn't had a good game on Shen, Mao, or Cho, and never played a split pusher/duelist in recent memory. Everyone else on IMT has shown a bit more flexibility and adaptation.

HemanthSep 4, 20172 votes

Any dark horses from minor regions?

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20172 votes

Gambit is pretty much old Moscow Five/Albus Nox players on the roster, so they could make a big leap into Group Stage, depending on their play-in draw.
Dire Wolves are under-the radar sort of speak, I think Dire's top(Chips) may impressive some people and I personally think Team oNe will do better than say Rampage/Lyon and Young Gen but that's just me.

gubigubiSep 5, 20171 votes

I think Rampage might be better than people think. Should be interesting to see how they do.

NipsahoySep 11, 20172 votes

better updated to remove CLG from those rankings.

gubigubiSep 11, 20171 votes

For now I'll just leave it as is. I'd probably put C9 in the exact same spot anyways. Maybe above AHQ.

MeGotUpSindromeSep 4, 20171 votes

no chance. 100% longzhu is going to win it all and prey/gorilla are going to carry them.

gubigubiSep 4, 20171 votes

I don't know. Worlds is going to be on a different patch than the one they won LCK on. So who knows whats going to happen for sure. I REALLY hope the Fiora buffs were enough to allow Khan to pick her. I'd absolutely love to see him play Fiora again he was so good on her before she got nerfed. I'd also really like it if Long Zhu wins worlds this year. They have looked so good in the summer I hope they keep it up.

GeminiRuneSep 4, 20171 votes

I think it's a bit too linear given the establishment of tiers honestly. While the top tiers are still somewhat as described, I kind of think calling it the "Korean Tier" and stating only the Korean teams is a bit overselling the teams and how they made it to said point. I'm one to try to rate off of recent form far over the raw expectation or paper roster. And yes that can be wrong. Take last year: analysts and articles had Samsung rated somewhere middle of the pack and that was understandable. And then they pulled off rather shocking performance looking much stronger than they were led to be. I personally don't think that same thing will happen; it's not just Korean teams that can have that surge in my eyes.

I was intending to do a post a week from now when the Gauntlets conclude to run down each of the teams. But it gives me time to do a rough draft on the spot. Using your list, I'll point out a few that I would change aside from tier titles:

Samsung wouldn't share a tier with the LZ or SKT; those two are pretty much the top tier alone. While SSG pulled off the Gauntlet run again, I refuse to feel it's a carbon copy of expectations that you'd have should KT have made their way in. There's a weakness about them that is still evident. Then again, they could pull off last year's stride again. I just don't buy it though. To be on the safe side, I'd put them a tier below rather than mid-pack like last year.
Not all 3 Chinese teams would be in the same definitive tier. Now I've watched my share of the LPL in the past month or so. I'm just as critical about them than I am with the Korean teams. Not saying they're low - just not all three should be gauged or labeled the same. Personally I only think Royal has the leg up despite losing the Finals. WE would be up there as well but with the heavy fall they took in the post season, I have to decline my hopes.
G2 would be higher. Not even factoring MSI into this which tells you how far back I'm going, I really think they will get their limited indication of poor acts together and make a good running. Right now I have them on par with Samsung and Flash Wolves, two teams that can also make a run off the same evaluation.

Upsets aside and skipping right past the group stage, I'm gonna touch on ranking for the Pool 3 seeds into Groups:

Should CLG and FNC make the clear into the Play In Stage, there's no doubt in my mind that they would be the heavy hitters in this stage alongside WE whose already the monster team to stop. However, it's essential to know that Round 2 of the Play In Stage could pair CLG vs FNC and one is gone like that.
Other than that, the Play In can be effectively split in tiers themselves. One end I have Hong Kong Attitude, Young Generation, Gambit (Completely forgot about them btw), Lyon and Fenerbache. The rest make up the bottom tier.

That's about all I can come up with.

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20171 votes

I agree with your thoughts on the LPL region/teams, I think the LPL just aren't that great honestly, "Trash" no but EDG just aren't this "Super-team" as people may think and I too think RNG are a bit better than say EDG and WE are coming in as a hot team at the moment. I just don't think the LPL will have this great showing at Worlds, like they have in the past years Worlds.

I also think Fnatic will do poorly, maybe get past the first round of the play-in but against say WE/GMB/HK or CLG, I see them getting eliminated with their plain and simple really predictable play-style of letting Rekkles farm for 40 mins and Soaz's split pushing 24/7, Fnatic could set themselves up for a 3v5 and potentially lose games from it.

No love for Gigabyte Marines it seems maybe because Stark left IDK but this is a team that has been biting at the bits for like 3 years to be apart of Worlds and I don't think FNC or even the team that has been kept Optimus down to be apart of the 2014 Worlds(AHQ) or even Misfits should be higher than them.

People can say G2 "vacation" memes but personally I think G2 will impressive people, we won't see a 1-5 performance from them again this year, I love their more controlled games this past split and even tho against MFS(who got lucky I suppose to even get to the Finals beating UOL and FNC who are meh/ATM) I still think people are underestimating them because of their poor past performances and overall, weak region.

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20171 votes

Let's say CLG and FNC are the final 2 teams

Longzhu Gaming
SK Telecom T1
Team Solomid
Immortals
G2 Esports
Gigabyte Marines
Flash Wolves
Samsung Galaxy
Royal Never Give Up
Team World Elite
Gambit
Counter Logic Gaming
Edward Gaming
Ahq Esports
Misfits
Hong Kong Attitude
LG Dire Wolves
Fnatic
Lyon Gaming
Team oNe Esports
Rampage
Young Generation
Kaos Latin Gamers
1907 Fenerbahce

Honestly, will most likely be 100% wrong in my tier list order and all but meh. I think the 2017 Worlds is stacked but every team looks like they can beat each other, not real "Super-Teams"; barring the obvious favorites(LZ/SKT). I personally think the LPL teams are ok(wouldn't surprise me if all 3 LPL teams get eliminated in the group stages before the bracket)

GT StandardSep 5, 20171 votes

I would only disagree with one thing: G2 is looking really freaking good. I think they're gonna make it out of groups

colombo1Sep 5, 20171 votes

You're overestimating the LPL way too much in my opinion, they haven't really done anything in worlds since season 4, and they're always hyped up before the tournament before playing pretty badly: OG and Fnc dismantling them in season 5, H2k in season 6 and G2 at MSI. Also, while TSM are playing incredibly well right now, I wouldn't put a dollar on the whole NA region. They continue to confuse me every worlds since their results are just weird to analyze, from C9 to TSM. Also, G2 is ranked kinda low on your list, and you should probably ignore their performance at rift rivals: they even admitted they started practicing later after MSI and even took 2 day breaks during the split, their performance in semis and finals is closer to their true level, so they should be fine at worlds. Misfits is probably gonna crash and burn, and between H2K and FNC I'm not too sure what to expect.

BigBellBruteSep 10, 20171 votes

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You're overestimating the LPL way too much in my opinion, they haven't really done anything in worlds since season 4, and they're always hyped up before the tournament before playing pretty badly: OG and Fnc dismantling them in season 5, H2k in season 6 and G2 at MSI. Also, while TSM are playing incredibly well right now, I wouldn't put a dollar on the whole NA region. They continue to confuse me every worlds since their results are just weird to analyze, from C9 to TSM. Also, G2 is ranked kinda low on your list, and you should probably ignore their performance at rift rivals: they even admitted they started practicing later after MSI and even took 2 day breaks during the split, their performance in semis and finals is closer to their true level, so they should be fine at worlds. Misfits is probably gonna crash and burn, and between H2K and FNC I'm not too sure what to expect.

Why is it when G2 does bad, which is most of the time, it's always an excuse coming out of Europe? Oh they didn't practice enough. Oh they took a vacation. Blah blah blah. Face it. EU hasn't been anything since Origin crashed and burned and Fnatic lost their dynamic duo. The only reason H2k did anything last year is they got the easy group and then got the easy quarters draw. As soon as they faced a Korean or NA team. they got punked just like every other EU team did at worlds last year. And you guys got your rumps handed to you at rift rivals....BY OUR 10TH PLACE TEAM!!!! Keep coming with the excuses.

colombo1Sep 11, 20171 votes

Notice I made no excuses for any other EU team other than G2. We only make excuses for them because they usually give us a preview of how their preparation was before a tournament that lets us know what they're going to do. The only time we really were expecting a lot from G2 was at MSI and at Worlds last year, and well they failed pretty hard at worlds but did pretty well at MSI. Since you mention H2k, at least they demolished ANX, which is a lot more than can be said for CLG. They also beat EDG and managed to finish top of their group, whereas TSM had the weaker chinese team to deal with and still couldn't get out of a group that also had splyce. Even if SSG finished 1st, TSM should've at least finished 2nd. As for C9, well they just had SKT to deal with, the other 2 teams weren't exactly world beaters, but kudos to them for at least getting out of the group.

If you're happy about the NA results at rift rivals, go ahead and enjoy them, you literally get nothing other than bragging right until we get to worlds. Oh, and if EU hasn't been relevant since origen and FNC, what about NA? When was the last time you guys got to a worlds semi final?

C9 ElfolorixSep 10, 20171 votes

Bro C9 didnt miss any worlds since their existence and this will not be the exception. Actually I wasn't that sure until yesterday when CLG killed their brothers, Fly Quest. If they don't make it for the Worlds, they will make it for taking revenge of their falled mates.

gubigubiSep 10, 20171 votes

After how CLG played against flyquest I'm actually convinced C9 is likely going to win. None of the teams so far in the regional qualifier for NA have looked good at all so far. I hope C9 can come out and put on a show or at very least CLG steps up their game.

NipsahoySep 11, 20171 votes

Flash wolves is overrated imo. They didn't get out of a group last year with C9 and Imay, not sure why everything thinks they are gonna beast it up this year.

gubigubiSep 11, 20171 votes

Yeah true. They did alright at MSI though. Depending on their group I think they have a good chance of getting to the knockout stage. Its possible I do have them rated higher than what they should be.