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10 thoughts going into Week 6

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Here's this week's 10 thoughts from @meanmisterkien!

Make sure to tune in this Friday at 3 pm PT as the NA LCS resumes action. And each week, check back to Lolesports for 10 more thoughts on the subsequent weeks.

 

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III BAKURYU III 6 votes

Team Envyus NV has the same problems as they did a year ago; they're decent early but when it comes to the mid/late game they just fall apart. It's becoming predictable for the enemy jungler to come to NV's botlane to pick up either 2 easy kills or just 1 from Hakuho who has poor map awareness mainly because of himself who doesn't ever ward as a support. It's annoying because Apollo who I believe is one of the most underrated players in NA and has been for some time now has to lane with a support that dies almost every game within the first 3 mins because of ganks that are predictable because of Hakuho's reputation of not warding. Hakuho needs to improve for the ROLE that he is playing as not the other way around. He's #1 as far as dmg goes for supports which can be thanked for the meta around supports but is dead last in wards as a support!
Think of Hakuho as Jesse Ventura from Predator who does alot of damage with his machine gun but just can't see the Predator(enemy team) because of the lack of wards but with 1 hit/gank and he's down for the rest of the movie/game.

Immortals
Thinking how many times Pobelter will die total in Immortal's series this weekend as well as bloopers from Dardoch.
Other than that Immortals have actually been a decent team, sure they're not top 2 or so but they are doing things that is catchy at times maybe a little too much aggressiveness from Dardoch trying to make a play but I can forgive that due to the experience factor with the players on the team as well as their passive play styles.

Team Liquid -

Phoenix One This team needs a mix of 50/50 aggressive/passive play from someone on the team.
Zig and Adrian are somewhat aggressive but mainly back up players because of their roles, while Ryu and Arrow are the aggressive players and with Inori he was an over aggressive player and it just didn't mix as well as it did with Meteos. Meteos is known for not his mechanics but mainly for his follow up his lanes, he farms in the jungle and if his lanes push he moves up the map similar to say a Commander would in a battlefield; you don't want to stay too far from the troops but at the same time you don't want to get in the way of the soldiers.
Ryu and Arrow aren't good follow up roamers for the team, instead they are good lane phase players who want to play somewhat passive in lane for a bit before doing anything that might delay their builds and with Meteos being passive until 50% of the map isn't shared is the same way. They might want what I call " push ganks" from time 2 time and it's something Meteos is really good at, instead of "kill ganks" they just want the enemy to be pushed off of them so they can farm safely for a clean back or just time for an item. This helps greatly mainly for Ryu because he just isn't a good roaming mid. Look at how many times he gets caught out either too late or just gets caught out because of roams.
Ryu is similar to say Fenix where he's good in lane but isn't stuck solely in lane ass to lane like Froggen he does roam but he needs time something that just isn't in Froggen's vocabulary. Roaming whats that ? - Froggen

Counter Logic Gaming Stixxay/Aphroo are really under performing than what they once were but looking at the other players it's not much of a surprise. I wouldn't be surprised if this is Darshan's last year or maybe even split depending if CLG can either make it to playoffs or don't do good during playoffs. Darshan is know for his split pushing method and I thought this meta would favor him because it's not tank tank tank but instead champions that could be used to split push maybe not like Riven/yasuo but can splitpush somewhat safely. Xmithie isn't impressing me like he did back in 2016 with his dragon/barons steals and just being in the right place at the right time but now he's just .... there like a shadow it's everywhere you go but doesn't do anything especially in the dark and the light is closing on CLG to do something.
Facing TSM and P1 this weekend is going to be interesting that's for sure.

Echo Fox This team reminds me of Willy Coyote where they come up with decent ideas/plays/thoughts ways to win but most of the time they just fall back down to earth after igniting a rocket/idea.
I thought Looper would have been much better than what he is showing ATM on EF, I didn't think he would smash NA but he's not far from just "another top" player.
If this team could actually TRY to help Keith, you know protect him they could be a top 3 team easily but yet they leave him out to dry as something like a decoy for dragon/baron but the problem is they do this way too often. Akkadien has the most kills on the team but is 3rd in damage while Keith is 3rd in kills but is 2nd in damage. Keith has shown in the past to maybe not "carry" but be a good LT to the CPT type of player that helps to carry with TL and TSM.

CLOUD 9 Going 0-2 is bad but at the same time it wasn't a 0-2 got destroyed type of situation, they didn't get bent over or anything but Impact was painfully bad if not comedic when it came to him, but I see Impact bouncing back and looking like the regular Impact. C9 are a good team but it's gears aren't doing anything breaking mainly Sneaky. Sneaky is memed for his " lane" even back in 2016 Summer it was a common Sneaky meme about not doing well in lane even tho it was common place for him how was never a 10/10 lane player. He's slowly been getting better and better in lane since his 2013 Summer start but the memes are all but gone even tho his 2016 Summer was better so for than his 2017 Spring. Sneaky's kill participation was much higher last year, his gold differential at 15 mins was higher and his damage per min was very impressive.
2016 Summer - The meme Split Sneaky 70.1% Kill participation 8.4 CSPM +142 Gold difference 515.7 damage per minute 2017 Spring Split - The meme is gone good but he's now considered a god 60.8% Kill participation 8.4 CSPM -7 Gold difference 491.5 damage per minute

I will say tho Jensen has my vote for MVP unless he falls of a cloud and just doesn't perform like he's so far showing.

FlyQuest Hai actually has my 2nd place MVP because I didn't think he would be this impressive. The concerning part about FQ is Hai dies too much instead of the peelers dying for him, he's literally 30% of the team's deaths while Moon/Altec are around 33% COMBINED! That's the thing Hai is so much FQ that it's so easy to just walk away from Moon,Altec,Balls who don't do much of anything in lane are just aren't impressive in their career as a whole(Moon) and just go after the damage, the brains, the thought, the shotcaller, the carry, pretty much FQ itself Hai to win. The thing is FQ as a whole if they do help Hai out some the team can a monster early game and mid/late game they are pretty good but it's the early game that makes them who they are.

Dignitas Much better than what they were at the start of the split that's for sure.
This team is like a 6 out of 10 in almost every category, the lanes are ok, the CS per min is ok, the ganks are ok, but the communication just isn't there. Like a chicken with it's head cut off it can still run around for a bit but it will fall down and eventually fold and it was happening to Dig at the start of the split they would get cut where it hits home the most and just fall, but now they are putting little fight and it's good to see, as I hate these over hyped teams just not know what to do in game deciding situations.

Team Solomid People can say Wildturtle needs to go and while he has been shaky I will take a TSM with WT over a TSM with DL and I'll tell you why. Wilturtle is a great teammate something Doublelift just isn't, he has gotten better but you can't just change someone in 1 split or their personalities or lifestyle, the way they were taught, raised etc. Wildturtle comes up big for TSM. I'm not saying DL didn't for TSM or CLG but Turtle has more of a track record when it comes to exploding and shocking viewers with how much he does but yet not get noticed for doing so. 2013 Spring Turtle changed TSM from a good NA team to a respected region team, 2013 Summer he carried a team that had it's shotcaller and vocal leader Reg who was dying like 4 times a game on average. 2014 he had the most kills on TSM and helped carry them to a #1 Playoff finish in 3 grueling series in the playoffs(14 total games with each game being like 40 mins long. Hell even the Korean teams/coaches thought it was actually Turtle being the cause for the success of TSM more so than Bjergsen who has a history of being camped for 24/7.
2015 after 5 splits were Turtle was great he had 1 bad split 2015 Summer and instead of finding ways to help they trashed him instead. Yeah he got caught out but let's not delude our selves with Turtle getting caught out and Doublelift doesn't ! DL has a book called " I get caught out but pimpin ain't easy" after all. Outside of Wildturtle we have Svenskeren who honestly is the protective layer of TSM, he either loses TSM games alone most of the time or helps with TSM winning. It's not just Sven's fault when TSM loses but it does fall on him most because of his aggressive nature and habit. He also has a history of being toxic, racist when things go sour but I won't go in detail about this being he has flip a leaf with it and it's good to see.

Ravens69692 votes

Your assessment of CLG is horrific. Barring some incredible matches with Cloud 9 and TSM had they won them both nobody would be talking about them badly. They are in a bright spot this week. A 2-0 would really prove they are contenders. Not to mention they always start slow. Did you see Xmithie outplay 2 top tier jungles in week 5. or how about kicking nami through 3 enemies to win a game winning team fight. CLG is on the rise and to talk about them so harshly is appalling. I hope they prove you wrong. They always have been. Counter Logic.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I hold CLG in the up most respect, but when giving criticism no matter how subjective it may be or how harsh it may sound it's only to see their down sights so they can improve on such.
You wouldn't have expressed your great enthusiasm in such ways for CLG if I praised them, but instead did so when it was criticism instead.
Counter Logic Gaming is a great team no doubt! CLG does have an impressive second half season record going from 10-8 to 13-5 from the 2016 year, prior to the D-Lift trade CLG was 47-28 - 36-42 so I do applaud them. Have a good one

Seekor2 votes

I agree with most of your reviews. Very insightful and in depth. Keep it up man! If you have some forum posts or anything of the like please link or send me an email. Seekerebay at yahoo.com

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Thank you means a great deal to me!

I try to be someone from the outside from Riot so I can give my 100% unbiased thoughts on the matter of subjects so I don't feel obligated to be "respectful" to players/teams, if that makes sense? Most Riot employees are most likely under contract to not "bash" players even if it's for good intentions and/or opinions so you can never give out criticism.

I don't have a site or forum etc, I just watch the games and keep notes on certain subjects that I kept from previous years to see if it matches certain teams, as they say " history repeats itself" and for some teams become very similar to future ones. For example would be 2013 - early 2014 Cloud 9 is very similar to FlyQuest in their early game, dragons, leads you name it they resemble them to the T.
Dignitas are somewhat resemble what Curse was mainly because of Xpecial who has a dominate record of his games on certain being 3rd overall longest on average. So far 2017 Spring Dignitas has the 3rd longest game average so I look at Xpecial for being the cause of it.

Most of the stats of players/teams I do myself either I just find match history of players and just click on each game and add/subtract etc to find what I'm looking for. I do this because it's what I enjoy and Riot doesn't really keep up with stats as much as they should honestly even tho stats are very important for any sport.

Thank you again, and have a great day

Seekor1 votes

No problem I really enjoy the non biased approach. Plus being able to knock on "bad" players when they are actually bad is pretty nice.

If you every get a free minute or your bored, I would like to hear your 2 cents on "Dardoch".

My opinion is that he drags everyone around him down and is very over rated.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

.... Dardoch is very interesting because he's so toxic, so good, that he makes people talk about him.

Before the season started I said Immortals were going to end in 10th place in the standings because I believed that the team was just shoe horned together with tape, mainly Dardoch who left a decent team with Piglet, Fenix, Matt and Lourlo for 4 players that were either Pobelter- Very average between he or Fenix I would take Fenix each time Cody/Olleh- Too new, a rookie and an Korean that haven't played together. Flame- The most overrated player in League for about 3 years now in my opinion.

Back to Dardoch and Immortals After watching 4-5 weeks I actually saw 2 things,

  1. Team Liquid sucks, it's not that the players are garbage it's just their styles to get to lane, and that's it you don't see any 3 buffs, plays, strategy nothing. Just lambs in lane waiting to be slaughtered.
  2. Immortals is being carried by Dardoch. Love him or hate him He's carrying IMT.
    Pobelter dies so much, Flame has no idea what he's doing and you add the fact that Dardoch is the leader, shotcaller for another team when he's the flamer, and still young in his career, it becomes apparent that he has potential.

I have in the past stated that he does bring people somewhat down because of his toxic behavior but other than that if he fixes his behavior which seems like he has( idk) he's actually good. Here are things toxic or angel that he needs to fix.

  1. He leaves a lane out to dry. Now, I know in solo q people say don't gank each lane just 1 or so but you still need to show some face in each lane but Dardoch doesn't.
  • He didn't even gank bot lane or cared what went on when TL had Fabbyy a rookie to the LCS.
  1. Goodwill Hunting anyone?
  • He needs a mentor, a teacher, someone to look up to that is mature but someone that isn't afraid to tell Dardoch " Stop acting like a little BiT$h".
  1. Too aggressive!
  • I understand Pobelter is passive, Flame does nothing but split pushes, and bot lane is too new but man he goes ham 24/7. I understand time changes but if I was on IMT I would look at tapes on certain teams.
  1. Team Coast way back from 2013 Spring- That team is very similar to this Immortals team.
  2. Samsung White from 2014 - The won from just vision alone and not so much from pure talent, yes they had talent but the won from just knowing where the enemy was and just stealing their buffs etc.

Overall Dardoch is overrated in some degree but he's still a top 4 Western jungler, and 2nd best NA jungler.

Tessel82 votes

Pretty solid stuff! I love seeing other people's inputs and out takes on the region's teams! ALL of these overviews are excellent! (especially Team Liquid's :p) Keep up the great work!

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I did a TL review a while back where I was more than rude so I didn't give them my opinions/thoughts in fear that I wouldn't be a pro about it and just be rude again etc.

  • Thank you means a great deal to me to have people/fans that gives me compliments.
RiotSpinneli4 votes

It's AWESOME to read another in-depth review/assessment/thoughts of the teams! Thanks for taking the time to leave yours and make a discussion of the thoughts afterwards, too. :) [slayer-jinx-catface]

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Sarcastic ? Well, thank you if it's a genuine compliment means the world to me to hear from Riot themselves on my posts that I do take pride in and work hard to make people entertained.

I suppose you read the " I do this because it's what I enjoy and Riot doesn't really keep up with stats as much as they should honestly even tho stats are very important for any sport". If so I didn't mean to sound rude but you guys are pretty meh when it comes to stats, accomplishments etc. Been saying this for about 4 years now and counting so maybe it's my lucky year?

  1. Please show the player's all time stats !
  1. When you click on the player's face/name there should be a list of accomplishments for example Doublelift 2X NA LCS Champion, 2X NA Kill Leader, 1X CS Leader, 2ND All-Time LCS Kill Leader, 2ND All-Time CS Leader etc etc etc.

  2. Pick'em regular season ?

  • Worlds gets a pick'em but the LCS regular splits don't, why not ?
  • People love these types of Riot based ideas!

That's just a few things, thank you for your attention and time on my post.

  • Have a good One!
ModPrandine1 votes

I think a big problem with Dignitas as a whole is that their whole playstyle seems to be "Ssumday or bust", and allot of their games this split have been busts because of it. If they can just learn to not rely so much on Ssumday then they may still have a chance to improve and climb up in the standings.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Indeed, it's always in everyone's mindsets for NA " Oh we have a former KT Korean player, time to give him all of the resources etc" and it just doesn't work, this isn't 2014 where you can just give them everything, peel, cs, time, 24/7. Today's LCS/League is all about T.E.A.M.

Look at C9 when they were the most dominate NA team from 2013-2014 They had Balls to be the focus early in their games with Hai not being a selfish mid just thinking about Cs and blues 24/7 but would die to help his team and a ADC that had his ego in check and didn't care about CS or winning lane but was a great team player and did what was needed.

TSM 2013 - early 2014 was just mid mid mid mid mid focus and it became predictable both in NA and on the international stage, it wasn't until 2014 Summer where TSM actually gave attention to not just mid but to the adc role equally, fast forward 2016 where they also put their attention in the top lane something they haven't done in the past and TSM is much stronger for it.

CLG was a "protect the D-Lift" every game but played not as 5 individuals but as 5 teammates and they were/and still are a great team because of it.

Dignitas has problems

  1. Xpecial is great mainly as a lane phase support but outside of lane he sucks, he wiffs ults and just dies accomplishing nothing in the process.

  2. Too much focus on top/JNG, it's obvious the other 3(mid-sup-adc) don't know what to do sense top/jng gets so much attention on that side of the map and yet they can't do anything on the other side.

  3. Ssumday ? - He's good but he's only good for CS that's about it, he's not a great teamfighter and you could see this back in 2015 Worlds where he would just split push and rack up the farm but that' about it.

  4. Apex/Keane/Shiphtur - Keane is very similar to Shiphtur in a way that he doesn't really do anything but farms so maybe DIG is best for him cause Ssumday just farms, Keane just farms, Xpecial/Lod just farm it's just farm but nothing else. 3.44 Kills 2.42 Deaths 5.71 Assists 317.7 CS is Keane's stats before this split with over 28 40+ min games 3.10 Kills 2.16 Deaths 3.46 Assists 320.9 CS is Keane's stats in this split with 10 40+ min games which I believe is second most 40+ min games behind TSM with 12 or so, which just proves again that he doesn't know what else to do but farm and have a lane phase mentality for the bulk of his LCS career.

They need to clean up their game and be more aggressive They need to tell Xpecial to be aggressive himself cause which ever team he's on they have the 3rd longest average games each split/team that he's plays on.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I kinda feel like Sneakys numbers have fallen off because he hasn't had to do as much. Last year Impact didn't get "good" until play-offs, when lane swaps were removed. So Sneaky, had to in turn do more for the team fighting to be considered the third best team at the time (TSM/IMT). I've always felt Sneaky as been the rock for C9 for so long, he doesn't do what Wild Turtle does and takes over some parts of the game (Well Sneaky has but its not as often). He also doesn't get the spot light as often as Turtle, DLift, or Piglet. He quietly has good games, almost every game. He gets caught out, so does every AD. He plays a relatively weak role, in comparisons to the other four and he continues to have good games. He has a few spectacular games and a few shit games, the rest hes just solid, no better no worse. Sneaky is consistent.

I'm happy with Sneaky on C9.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Yeah, Sneaky is like Imp from SSW where everyone knows hes good and has great upside but he's over shadowed by say Mata and his shotcalling very similar to say Hai when he was on C9 in the mid lane, as well as Meteos when he was on C9 before the final split with his high KDA being similar to Dandy and just his carry potential from just playing jungle.
The thing that scares me about Sneaky is he hasn't even been more vocal or having to be the shotcaller he always had someone else do it for him, not that he hasn't ever voiced his opinions but when you have Hai being mid/jng/sup be the shotcaller and rightfully so as well as Meteos his voice kinda fades.

We've seen what happens when Impact just doesn't produce in games similar to Immortals with Huni if Huni has a bad game Immortals just loses and Sneaky either needs to be more productive or vocal but considering he's been playing since 2013 I really doubt he will change up his style as I think he's not going to be in the LCS for much longer. I'd say after 2017 Summer World or no Worlds this will be his final year in the LCS.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Smoothie is the main voice though, and if Sneaky is basically trained one way, he prolly won't change. Smoothie, Jensen, and Impact are the voices, Contractz will prolly adapt a role in that and Sneaky is the quiet presence. He does talk though, he debates from what I can tell when they let you hear their comms. He's just used to hearing a command and following it, that's not a bad thing, hes essentially a solder.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Indeed, more Indians less Chiefs is what makes a good community!
I always say you need a Shotcaller and a voice of reason - someone that can't really say "yes or No" to the shotcaller but someone that can kinda change the shotcaller's mind to say either two options A or B but that's about it, kinda like a LT to a CPT. Hai was the shotcaller and while Meteos did call somewhat I viewed Lemon as the voice of reason someone to kinda say "how about this way" and Hai can either choose either A or B and C9 does it.

Impact- The rock or "Dyrus" someone that doesn't really say much(foreign) as well as just a solider to the cause. Contractz- Too new to really have a big voice since he's a rookie and when you have a HOF Sneaky, a great talent Jensen and a former SKT World Champion you should just be quiet for the most part. Jensen- The voice of reason, he knows what's best for the carries since he is the primary carry for C9. Sneaky- Similar to Jensen but just not the same, he's like the right hand of the carry but just not "the carry" if that makes sense. Smoothie - The shotcaller

MrHaZeYo1 votes

The say Impact actually does talk a lot.

Other then that ya your right. At least in my opinion.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Impact doesn't have to talk that's the thing, he knows how to peel and just be smart in his decisions that's the thing. Cloud 9 actually plays for him when behind or ahead they constantly let him pushes mainly top waves for 5-10 mins while the rest play defensive until he hits his power spikes. We've seen this during the playoffs and during Worlds last year.

Instead of XiaohweiXia( - Spelled his name wrong I'm sure) the LMQ mid laner it's Impact that takes most of the side farm while Jensen and Sneaky are taking turns in mid pushing and protecting the mid tower.

Thank you, it's nice to have a conversation that isn't just " LOL, LMAOF, etc" but actually good common ground for fans of C9 and the LCS to talk about stuff!

ModPrandine1 votes

What are your thoughts about C9 Ray? To me he hasn't had really many opportunities to shine and make his prescience known, and whenever he does play it's usually been against the top teams in the league like TSM and CLG if I'm not mistaken there. I think that C9 should let him get more practice against the bottom teams such as Liquid so that when they do need to bust him out he can actually do well in-game (so long as his team backs him up of course). I know that Impact is a former world champion and all but it just seems to me that Ray is just too underutilized honestly.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Ray needs time and it's not because he's not good but because he's such a wildcard and reasons because of it -

  • Has a large champion pool but in the end is meh with most, hasn't played a champion in his young career more than 8 or 9 times ! He needs to start grinding out 4-5 champions in his pro career or it's harder for not only his enemies which is good but also his teammates to really get a sense of his playstyle other than being aggressive but his team needs more info about him other than that, you know?

  • He's too aggressive for his "team". He plays not selfishly which can be contributed to 2 reasons A.- Was on Apex and needed to be the carry and B.- Doesn't play for the team yet in his career.

  • Journeyman He has played for 3 pro teams(EDG-APX/DIG-C9 in what 2 years? He doesn't build any relationships with teammates or coaches etc, that's the worst thing about any career of a sports player E-Sports or traditional sports is being a journeyman when you have decent talent.

Overall I do think Ray is good but he needs to learn as much as possible because I don't think Impact will stay on C9 for the rest of his career and possibly by the end of this year he will return to Korea and Ray needs to be ready when or if that happens. I think of him as Marin from SKT's sister team where he's behind Impact before getting a real chance and needs to perform with due time. " All good things for those who wait"

ModPrandine1 votes

Fair enough. I actually wasn't aware that he was on that many teams in the past, so it's very interesting to learn that from someone who clearly has allot of experience watching LoL Esports. Do you agree though that C9 should allow him some practice against the bottom teams in addition to shoring up the issues you mentioned?

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Honestly this week is perfect for Cloud 9 to sub Ray in as they are facing Team Liquid and Counter Logic Gaming.

Two teams that are complete opposites as far as passive/aggressive Team Liquid is 7th in aggressiveness/kills and CLG are 3rd in aggressiveness/kills so C9 can get a measure of what Ray performs better against.
He needs to be patient if he does play against TL because they're passive in a season of Lourlo who can be bullied and same as Darshan in lane but Darshan dies around 3 times per game but getting around 7-8 assists a game so he plays for his team where Lourlo does so around the 35 min mark, so Ray needs to take his time. However both teams are very good late game and are decent as far as making a weird play work for the most part so Ray needs to be the same as he normally is late game as he's 10 for 14 40+ min games when it comes to late game as well as owning CLG in his career 4-2 in games against them in which 4 out of the 6 games went 40+ mins so he's clearly decent late game similar to a savings bond where it doesn't pay off early in life but later it can be decent for you.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

OK......... NVM This week is not good for C9 to sub in Ray considering their first game is against Team Liquid with their new ADC Doublelift!

ModPrandine1 votes

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OK......... NVM This week is not good for C9 to sub in Ray considering their first game is against Team Liquid with their new ADC Doublelift!

Yeah I read about that a while ago and agree with you completely. Impact is more consistent and a better choice in that match in particular but who knows? Ray still may be able to do something against CLG assuming that he gets subbed in for that series.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Indeed, also it seems someone has a personal vendetta as someone is constantly down-voting just wanted to let you know as I'm not doing that so, unless you're that same person who downvotes himself and I just forgot?

ModPrandine

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Indeed, also it seems someone has a personal vendetta as someone is constantly down-voting just wanted to let you know as I'm not doing that so, unless you're that same person who downvotes himself and I just forgot?

Yeah I'm the one who keeps removing the auto-upvote from my posts. On other sites I use frequently they use a Thanks system where you can't thank your own posts but you can thank others posts and can see who thanked your post and when. By removing the auto-upvote I hope to try to get a better understanding of how many people like-dislike my posts (it's weird I know).

That reminds me though: on Facebook I read a comment about the Doublelift Liquid acquirement that goes like this:

Youngbin had ONE week of LCS experience and you expected him to be one of the best in his role? Finding talent and making talent are different things, if you guys want to be serious contenders in the LCS you need to let young players like youngbin have the spotlight and mould him into the player you want him to be. giving a rookie 1 week and the deciding against him is just stupid and I highly doubt the impulse roster change is going to improve your roster.

It's gotten allot of likes (93 at the time of this post) but I would like to know your thoughts on this as I find it interesting. To me they do have a bit of a point but at the same time Youngbin has (if I recall correctly) played on other teams before such as TLA (Team Liquid Academy), so there's that at least.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

TL are just desperate, I mean possibly ending the season 10th is a huge WTF when looking at their roster/talent that they had to start the season. Youngbin didn't do as bad as I thought he would have but CS is not LCS that's for sure, I would understand if this was the summer split where Worlds is on the line for 1st place auto qualified.
Team Liquid/Curse are it's own fault about young talent considering they have one if not the most players that came through their doors in the past. Name 2013-2017 Curse/Liquid players .......... There's around what 30 and that's just 2013 to start not to mention 2009-2012 years when LCS wasn't created yet so around 60 total players that walked and were apart of Team TL/CRS.
TL switching talent on and off again isn't something new.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

I'm quite interested to see if C9 can recover from the 0-2 week. While they were the top team for 5 weeks, they did not dominate. They fought hard and long to win those games.

I hope they recover. They are quite a fun team to watch because they seem to have some amazing comebacks.

Flash Ward1 votes

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