This might just be the year for NA to get all 3 teams out of groups

Juggernaut628·10/10/2017, 4:21:25 AM·1 votes·1,136 views

As anyone who's paid any attention to week 1 would know, all 3 of NA's teams are currently 2-1. C9, at least against AHQ and EDG, looked really good. IMT has a pretty free group to get second. TSM… well, it's TSM which lowers their odds, but other than Sven, they don't look terrible. It's actually very reasonable to think that all 3 of NA's teams get out of groups. If this happens, I don't see C9 or IMT getting 1st seed, but TSM has a chance to get first if they all play as well as Hauntzed has been.

Now, I'm not saying that we should put all of our money in the NA basket. I'm just saying that their chances are pretty good.

Sidenote. I really hope Misfits gets out of groups just so EU doesn't look like a complete joke this year.

17 Comments

ForFoxSakes10/10/2017, 3:40:58 PM2 votes

Dont you remember last year? Week 1 NA does good, week 2 they drop the ball and lose everything. Can't count them in yet

Kal Vas Flam10/10/2017, 4:24:24 PM2 votes

None of the NA teams are getting out of groups. I'm a C9 fanboy and also enjoy IMT, but let's be real. NA doesn't adapt, and we're the only region in the world that refuses to do this. Every other region will show up with an updated Worlds meta, and we won't, and we'll get our shit kicked in.

TheBentOn310/10/2017, 4:36:24 PM2 votes

IMT: allmost certainly getting out in second place, LZ has looked every bit the tournament favorite they were supposed to be coming in and will probably easily sweep the group. Which means IMT just has to take thier game vs GAM, which seems pretty likely after thier performance last week.

C9: C9 put in a couple of dominating performances against AHQ and EDG last week, and SKT has looked vulnerable at the top of the standings, there is an outside shot C9 might even get out in first, though second or worse is far more likely. AHQ and EDG can never be counted out, and it needs to be noted that C9s victories have been coming off of breaking the meta and sticking Contractz on a carry jungler. If the competition adjusts things might get rough.

TSM: Has not been playing like the #1 seed from NA. They limped to a thoroughly unconvincing 2-1 and I fully expect the loss to MSF to rear its ugly head in TSMs hidden passive of "this team loses all tie breakers.". Still TSM has the talent to go 3-0 and nab 1st this week if they step things up, unfortunately I find an 0-3 choke and a quiet flight back to NA equally likely. It all depends on which TSM shows up.

Valuslupi10/10/2017, 1:40:11 PM2 votes

I don't think TSM is awful. I think it's fair to have reservations about them though due to their history at Worlds and Svenskeren being Svenskeren. That being said, I still think TSM is most likely to get first in their group and make it out. IMT is looking strong and even had a good early game against Longzhu. Their problem was that they didn't press their advantage enough and they aren't too good at playing from behind. IMT should get second in their group, but I think they're second most likely to get out. As for C9, I think think they're actually our best chance at Worlds but I just still can't count EDG out. What I mean is that C9 is almost guaranteed to lose to SKT this week which gives them two other games against EDG and AHQ. AHQ isn't doing that bad and they looked GREAT against SKT. It's possible that we see a loss there. The other problem, as I was originally going to say this paragraph, is that EDG is not a bad team and may I remind you that they were actually the favorites going into their matchup with C9. It is very possible to see C9 lose to either AHQ or EDG. I hope they don't. I hope they make it out of groups and don't choke against an 0-3 team but to me, the order of likelihood for getting out of groups is:

TSM -> IMT -> C9

FableBlaze10/10/2017, 8:21:33 AM2 votes

In order of most likely to least likely of getting out of groups: IMT -> C9 -> TSM

IMT is the most likely to get out because Fnatic flopped and GAM is basically a one-cheese-pony. C9 has looked really solid, but i would not count AHQ out yet and EDG can still play spoiler easily. TSM is tough to call. The safe bet would be TSM getting second, but they might as easily get 1st or 3rd place.

ChompyWulf10/10/2017, 2:32:49 PM2 votes

I'm expecting WE and Misfits will keep TSM from advancing from D.

Group B is still dangerous for IMT, but they've shown a lot of mettle and I think they can pull out two wins and advance.

I didn't expect EDG to have such an epic meltdown to be 0-3. I figured they would at least compete with C9 for a tiebreaker, but that seems very long odds.

So I'm betting IMT and C9 get out from Groups and TSM does not.

As things stand from what they've done so far, I think IMT has proven better ability to hang with LZ than C9 did with SKT, so if either goes to Semis, it will be Immortals

Juggernaut62810/10/2017, 4:23:26 AM1 votes

Feel free to tell me how right (or how wrong) I am so we can all have some nice hypothetical conversations before week 2 begins :D

Ailiekpai10/12/2017, 9:56:09 AM1 votes

Voted C9 cause they're only ones that actually looked good winning so far.

III BAKURYU III 10/10/2017, 5:10:20 AM1 votes

Last year all NA teams were 2-1 and by the end of the groups, only 1 team was able to make it out at 3-3 Cloud 9. In my pick'ems/predictions I too thought all 3 NA teams would make it out but I doubt more than 1 will again this year.

C9 will most likely lose to SKT again, followed up by most likely beat AHQ but I wouldn't cross it up as a "free" win, since AHQ did eliminate C9 2 years ago. EDG vs C9 is 50/50 since I don't see EDG losing out(0-6) in groups, but I do see C9 winning against them too.
Possible outcome 4-2 record, realistic outcome 3-3 for C9

IMT have shown promises of being a strong team within group B and against LZ that's most likely a loss(2-2), against GAM and FNC; Immortals should beat them. Possible outcome 4-2 record, realistic outcome 4-2 for IMT

Not sure which TSM we will get, the TSM that wins sloppy or the TSM that loses sloppy. Against FW, who are prone to have really long games within International tournaments, as well as losing those longer games, if TSM and FW are again in another 40+min game I don't see FW making another bone-headed decisions. Misfits and WE are too good if they get leads and since TSM are garbage in the early game I see TSM losing to one of them upright, if not both. Possible outcome 4-2 record, realistic outcome 3-3 for TSM

I don't think all 3 NA teams will make it out of Groups, I'm hoping that it does but it's NA so.....

xJLx MCHammer10/10/2017, 11:43:10 AM1 votes

NA teams start strong but tend to falter

We will see

Melvear10/10/2017, 1:45:12 PM1 votes

My pick em has all 3 teams getting out of groups. C9 mostly off the back of EDG choking, IMT because they're just better than both GAM and Fnatic and TSM because other then Sven, they all perform good (although Doublelift was bad on Kog)

BigBellBrute10/10/2017, 8:35:07 PM1 votes

I don't really make predictions. But I Can't very well disagree with the OP at this point. It's a good possibility. All three have it right there for them. Now they have to finish. And it's not can NA finish. NA isn't competing. It's can IMT finish. Can TSM finish. Can c9 finish. That is who is competing. What NA as a region has done in the past is irrelevant. It's all what they do in the here and now.

I'm going over each one individually in the order they play.

IMT. They admittedly had some jitters. I was most concerned about that. And yet they're still 2-1. They got LZ out of the gate which imo was the best match up for them. Get in and get your feet wet with a team you don't have to beat and aren't remotely expected to beat. Then you get the games you have to win later. That said they still have a rookie at the most important position. Not just a worlds rookie. Flat out a rookie. So far so good.

We might know late in the evening/Around 2 am the next morning after depending on Time Zone with Imt. I'm certainly hoping we do. Long story short if IMT and LZ both win their first games, then they both will be the ones getting out of that group in some order. I certainly hope it happens. If LZ loses, then we might know after game 3 if IMt wins that one. IMt is in good position. Beat GAM and you're almost there. Then if LZ does the work for you, it's done. If not, then IMT could finish the job in Game 3. Gam is a dangerous team. I love their cheese. But they're not a great team. And given that Fnatic is airing their dirty laundry in public, they look to be in complete disarray. They didn't play together as a team. Their behavior shows they aren't together as a team. Just bad signs all around if you're a Fnatic fan. Who knows, any given day, anything can happen. They may come together, be the first 0-3 team ever to eventually get out. But it's looking bad right now. I like IMt's chances. But even if they don't get out, I'm still happy. That they're even here is a great result considering. Everything from here is gravy. It looks like we've found an ADC for the future. We've found our leader we desperately needed and got rid of the toxicity and immaturity we didn't all in one trade. Remember when everyone said CLG got the best of that trade? Oh and the coaching has improved tremendously.

The next night no NA teams are involved but we could know with that group after Game 3.

The next night is the TSM group and we could know something by game 4. If TSM beats both WE in game 2 and MSF in game 4 then TSM is guaranteed to get out of group. Those are the must win games. And unfortunately, We and MSF play last so the result of that one won't be known. And if things come down to that match uh well cardiac arrest time for TSM fans. If they then beat FW too, they are guaranteed Top team out of group. We might know earlier if the FW can upset someone. Hopefully they'll upset every team not named TSM. If TSM loses one of those first two, it's probably going down to the wire. Could be a long night for TSM fans. Their position looks the most precarious at this point. Misfits is better than most thought and We is equal competition to TSM. FW by going 0-3 didn't help anyone out. Still to be 2-1 at this point is fine. I'd rather have things in my hands and be in position than being out of position. It beats being 0-3 that is for sure.

Last but not least C9. SKT is looking a bit vulnerable but hopefully they'll knock off the other two teams vying for 2nd and drop one to C-9. They play IHQ in the first game. Go SKT!!! Cloud 9 plays EDward in Game 2. Of all the 0-3 teams, I think Edward the most likely to bite someone. Hopefully it isn't C-9. But even if C9 loses, they're not out of it. Having ED two games behind you going into the final day is nice. Hopefully the first three games will go SKT>AhQ, C9>ED and ED>Ahq and then we'll know. Otherwise things could go late.

TriGunstaR10/12/2017, 6:57:07 AM1 votes

I don't think you guys ever learn anything.

The only team that has ever gotten out of groups was always C9, who always show up at Worlds. IMT does not look good, at all, just very sloppy. I highly doubt this team will get out of worlds unless they can grab a win on the second week. TSM, only looks good during NA splits. But when it's time to show up, they really don't. TSM need a lot of time to play against the same team to really get the hang of them, which won't happen at Worlds.

So my safe bet is that C9 will show up again, because during the first week, they look damn good. Especially being in the harder group, they are really stepping it up, syn-energy, team work, and team fights.