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YellOwStaR breaks down TSM bout

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When they stepped onto the stage for the first game of the Mid-Season Invitational, Team SoloMid had no idea what was waiting for them. Fnatic, a decided underdog at MSI, had a serious trick up their sleeve. After six top lane champions were expelled from the game during the Ban Phase, including Huni's beloved Hecarim, many were left wondering just how deep these top laners' champ pools ran. And then, Fnatic locked in Cassiopeia.

Snakes in a lane

The rest of the world may have been shocked by the pick, but Bora "YellOwStaR" Kim says Fnatic knew exactly what they were doing. "Fnatic has always been off-meta in the top lane," he says. "Before, it was sOAZ, and now, Huni. It's just their play styles. They really want to carry as a top laner." And at MSI, when going up against Dyrus' Gnar, it was the perfect opportunity to do so. Interestingly enough, Huni's Cassiopeia wasn't exactly conceived as a counterpick to Dyrus. In fact, according to YellOwStaR, Fnatic finds their groundbreaking champion picks in what seems like an inefficient manner: by simply picking them off a list. "We always look at the list of champions. There are like 130 champions. There's a lot of choices," he laughs. "Basically, he's really good at carry champions instead of tanks because he can have way more impact. That's how we found Cassiopeia. He was already trying her out, too. Huni is better on tanky damage champions than AP [champions] because they are so squishy. But he did well, so I'm very happy." And with a strong skirmishing team around him -- Gragas in the jungle, LeBlanc in the mid lane, Nautilus and Urgot holding down the bottom lane -- Huni took a favorable matchup against Dyrus directly to TSM's Nexus.

You gotta have faith

YellOwStaR and Fnatic had to have a ton of faith in their top laner to pull off such a risky strategy. But Huni gained his support's respect as soon as they met. "He decides everything by himself, because he's really smart about the game," says YellOwStar. "I was actually really impressed the first time I met him, because he has a really good vision and knowledge about the game. I let him choose what he wants to do," he said, laughing. And with Huni on a carry, YellOwStaR wasn't worried that they might lose their first game at MSI. "Looking at the team composition, we already knew that, whether we go late game or mid game, we'll have the upper hand," he says "We just had to not mess up our early game, and had a good advantage in the top lane. We don't want to say that [we were] confident, but we were. "Going into the draft, we were really well-prepared. It really went the way we wanted it to. We expected this result in champ select."

Aiming for the Finals

YellOwStaR credits a large part of their victory to TSM not respecting the fact that they can bring anything out at any time. That came from TSM's lack of desire to play practice games against them. "I think TSM didn't really want to scrim against us because people were saying that we're the underdogs. It's true that we didn't really have the best games against Unicorns of Love because both of the teams really like fighting. It was a mess." Now that Fnatic has taken down the North American heroes of TSM, the rest of the world is definitely taking notice. They may have underestimated the Europeans at first, but don't expect anyone else to sleep on them. With their brawling play style and ability to play just about anything, Fnatic believes they can go the distance at MSI. "I think we can make it to the Finals," says YellOwStaR. For more Mid-Season Invitational action, keep your eyes on Lolesports all weekend. And if you miss any of Fnatic's crazy picks and bans, head over to the spoiler-free VODs page. [Ed. note] The article originally read that YellOwStaR was on Thresh, when he was on Nautilus. This has been fixed.

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71 Comments

Buzanami32 votes

Today is a sad day to be an NA fan. It saddens me one, that this is the team that took down C9. Two, they were totally arrogant coming into this match thinking Fnatic would be a pushover and paid for it. Fnatic deserved this win. I just wish the EU/NA bashing would stop. With SKT playing how they did today it feels like another Korean team is gonna take worlds again. I want the west to win so badly this year.

Anderpot3 votes

I gotta say tho, when people during worlds, and especially from NA said "OOOH, NA>EU", then EU would be like what you are now, so I am not proud of what I am going to say now, but I do feel like that I cannot believe you. On the second hand, I agree. When worlds went past group stages, and I was personally not sad anymore bout EU not making it to quarters. And I regret that I did in the first place. I honestly just want someone else than Korea to win. We should just stand together and hope that the LCS will win MSI this year, wither if it is NA or EU.

Cheryl Cole5 votes

Oh pls... NA is sad now, they feel sorry about their behavior, but wait till summer split starts... Load of bullshit and saltyness will come from NA once more. Btw yesterday Faker said NA players have amazing mechanics and play agressive etc... not like EU or Korea. What an epic bullshit. He actualy believes Bjergsen playstyle is NA playstyle. So now in the eyes of the god NA looks like mechanicaly superior region, despite its not true at all. I would gladly watch NA fall.

Buzanami4 votes

Actually since when has solomid ever felt sorry for their behavior lol. At least C9 woulda been more humble. Plus it doesn't matter where the player comes from, Bjergsen is playing for NA just like Huni is playing for EU. The regions' playstyle is gonna be an influence on anyone's playstyle or vice-versa.

Troll Pool11 votes

If TSM really thought Fnatic would be a pushover then they should just bench their coach. Since when has EU been a pushover for NA? In fact EU has been slightly better then NA for pretty much 4 straight years.

It just blows my mind why people would think EU has fallen off. There's absolutely no logical explanation for that standpoint.

Cheryl Cole3 votes

There is...NA for the first time in whole LOL history is able to play internationaly. Its like soloq...once you leave bronze you believe you should be dia. And most funny fact is, that there is no dominant no1. EU team. On the other hand TSM is like mile ahead of the rest of NA.

ENLIT3NED2 votes

usually the eu teams are pushover for na team (c9 at least)

B4skerville2 votes

Thats why C9 has lost almost 2x the games to EU teams then won (and lost every time in the most important events like IEM or WC)...

II Yellow II2 votes

From before this event NA seemed to be better than eu for a full year. IEM katowice, IEM san Jose and All stars 2014 and 2014 worlds

Troll Pool4 votes

2014 All stars - Both EU and NA got destroyed and were irrelevant 2014 worlds - NA outperformed EU, but did have the easier groups. still got destroyed in brackets IEM San Jose - EU Challenger team beats the #1 NA team. I would say this is a clear sign NA isn't really much if any better then EU. Not to mention Alliance was irrelevant after this. So EU didn't even have their top 2 Teams when NA did. IEM Katowice - NA did great here, TSM performed out of their minds. But what EU team did you really face? SK got figured out and turned out to be a one-trick pony. You faced the #4 and #5 eu teams at best

Overall: I'd say NA did perform better then EU in the last year. But either both EU and NA were irellevant in the tournaments. Or you never faced top tier EU teams.

What it comes down to is this: Thinking you could win versus China or Korea would be extremely arrogant. To get ouf of groups their two most important matchs to focus on are EU and AHQ. As the wildcard region is pretty much a free win. So if they didn't properly prepare versus EU that's probably the biggest mistake they could have made. And if your coach can't properly prepare you for international events i'd start having serious doubts about how good he really is. Because i do think NA is capable of beating EU in a best of 5.

B4skerville1 votes

1st thing you forget. In 2014 World champs, #1 EU team SK was playing all exept one group matches with a sub (the game without the sub they played was vs TSM when they crushed them) was the reason why SK couldnt get out of group, 2nd they had harder groups (NA's top 1 team was in the easy group, where EU's top 1 team was in the death group), and 3rd the most important, Alliance got to arogant and payed for it and ended the EU always place higher (from Worlds 1 to 4)in important event. Thoes were easy to see lessons for NA (TSM AND C9).

Another thing... 1-2 won IEM's dont mean nothing when you face top 2 NA teams vs placed 4 EU team (and a challenger team that recks your TOP 1 team). Also looking at history in last 3-4 years we see EU always dominating NA in Worlds or IEM's till this year.

So TSM had planty of reasons to see that they would have very hard time vs Fnatic and the only relative easy win for them would the the Wild card winner.

T RexHasLongLegs6 votes

It sucks as an NA team to see TSM doing so poorly. I'm really looking forward to their AHQ game to see if they make it a good one, but I am kinda worried TSM may get bounced and not make the bracket which would be super sad.

I think Fnatic did super good coming into the game and realizing where their strengths lie, and I think Huni is just an interesting player in general. I'm kinda sad that Fnatic is bringing back Rekles though because seeing a team come together like they did this season was really cool, and yellowstar putting together a team of less experienced player and them doing so well was really cool. I really wanted to be able to just like Fnatic as a team and organization not just because they win, and have a team to root for from EU. I know from a skill perspective it probably makes sense, but the whole reason I watched EU was because Fnatic and UOL both seemed to just be willing to support their players and focus on team chemistry over bringing in big names and we don't really have that much in NA (except C9, but I've just never been a huge C9 fan). Bringing in Rekles when he was obviously not as committed to the team or his teammates just sits wrong with me and so I'm hoping TSM gets another shot to to take them down.

Buzanami7 votes

Yeah, I'm not a fnatic fan (I actually was hoping Elements would pull through) but I think everyone can agree Rekkles leaving Fnatic then asking to come back when Elements didn't work out is a dick move. I really feel for Steelback.

ENLIT3NED1 votes

dont worry na fans will no longer be dissapointed with the new c9 so sad that hai left tho :(

Buzanami1 votes

I really hope Hai's replacement can bring that team synergy that Hai brought. Fun question though who would make a good C9 mid replacement...?

C9 Alex Ich...lol

ThereisNoIshmael1 votes

incarnati0n already signed, got spot over pobelter and yusui

Hardstuck lron I1 votes

One step at a time. Be the best region and team in your side then expand. Why just take a leapsummoner 4 at the best region and get striked downsummoner 11 immediately.

Ulthax20 votes

I love how TSM being cocky assholes came back to bite them: "I think TSM didn't really want to scrim against us because people were saying that we're the underdogs." The fact that they didn't want to do their homework and pay attention to all the teams involved is what led to them losing, and the reason TSM will never be a world power- they're too busy with a face full of Bjergsen's dick that as soon as they play other teams with stronger mids (i.e. anyone at MSI besides BJK) they'll have to face the fact that camping mid every game is not how you win on an international stage.

God NA is trash, that we have TSM representing the region.

Rishino5 votes

" I think " CALM YO TITS

PoisonedTea5 votes

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I love how TSM being cocky assholes came back to bite them: "I think TSM didn't really want to scrim against us because people were saying that we're the underdogs." The fact that they didn't want to do their homework and pay attention to all the teams involved is what led to them losing, and the reason TSM will never be a world power- they're too busy with a face full of Bjergsen's dick that as soon as they play other teams with stronger mids (i.e. anyone at MSI besides BJK) they'll have to face the fact that camping mid every game is not how you win on an international stage.

God NA is trash, that we have TSM representing the region.

That is BS because I know TSM is not that type of team, Also Fnatic is the underdog that won off cheese Even if it is true on the scrims that is on Locodoco not Bjergsen. It just sounds like Yellowstar trying to bad mouth TSM why likely jealous.

ColdCoffeeGamer5 votes

It's okay, it's okay, at least they managed to beat the wildcard ;)

Ulthax4 votes

Most likely (and hopefully) will be the only win they get- TSM 1-4 THE DREAM

JustGoneViral2 votes

What would it be better to have C9 in MSI? can I have your opinion?

LeCrac18 votes

To me the game yesterday had the best possible outcome. On the one hand, because fnatic won the game and i'm a fnatic-fan, on the other hand, the game made the majority of these salty TSM-fanboys (I don't wonna say, that all tsmfans are like this, but there are many annoying tsmfans, downvoting each contra-tsm comment), shut up for at least one day. Now saying fnatic gets carried by imports is just ridiculous, since TSM has two EU-Players (Bjerg and Santorin) and one Korean (Lustboy), so crying fnatic would get carried makes completely no sense. Arguing that NA would be way better then EUW is not just needlessly, but aswell pointless when taking TSM, having 2 originally NA-players, as prove. We should just stop flaming the other regions and enjoy the LCS/MSI/Worlds

DeynaTaggerung4 votes

Somebody with sense in these comments, thank you.

neverö12 votes

Let me start by saying that I'm a big TSM fan, have been for a long time. Let me finish by saying this: You said it all!!! I would really hope we could just enjoy the show instead of bashing each other all the time. TSM lost... so what. Fnatic was the better team and deserved to win. TSM sat on their laurel and though they were invincible. They just had a huge reality check and I hope they will learn from it. I really do believe that Fnatic will make it out of the group stage and TSM probably won't (even though it pains me to say it).

Anyway, like LeCrac said just enjoy the LCS/MSI/Worlds. And to the TSM fans, if TSM don't make it out of group stage... cheer for Fnatic, they're as great a team as TSM; stop the salt!!!

CreDo VaLues2 votes

thats what i always wanted ! na and eu work together to get better and defeat the asian winstreak for 4 years in a row :/

Atral14 votes

Found a mistake "Thresh and Urgot holding down the bottom lane". YellOwStaR was playing Nautilus, TSM's Lustboy was playing Thresh. Other than that, great article :)

RiotTayTay Bot6 votes

This has been fixed! Thanks for the heads up!

Margarine11 votes

FNATIC FTW

Wistq8 votes

Ähm shouldnt this site be spoilerfree? I came from work to already see the result on the frontpage...

Angry Lemming4 votes

Dude....just book mark the "VODS" page and go there....before you go anywhere.

The Lexer1 votes

Why is this being downvoted? He's right!

CreDo VaLues8 votes

Pls stop to be so toxic now NA this heavy snowball proved it, now take it and accept it without salt

PoisonedTea7 votes

Also TSM was winning bot lane, The only lane they real lost was top, then mid later as good ganks happened. You could say TSM biggest fail was the jungle pressure.

Freemium11 votes

That 0/2 Chogath probably didn't help leaving the lane-ing phase.

Holy fúk ADC suc16 votes

TSM wasn't winning botlane. They were doing okay, but definitely not winning at all.

Pouchey22 votes

The usual happened, Dyrus was focused, however instead of the usual carry by Bjerg or Turtle, nothing happened. Neither of those lanes lost, but nor did they win and that's where it went wrong.

Foof1ghter4 votes

Turtle rarely wins in lane, he wins later on in fights, but in lane he usually goes even or slightly behind.

B4skerville1 votes

When did turtle carry anything? (he always barely evens the lane) its always Bjerg and Santorin doing the work and being the most focused ones for most of the time... Turtle only joins them if they are fed and he rides the bandwagon as they cant win the game by them selfs, but he never is in the spot to start to carry a game alone like Bjerg. Even in the game vs CLG (the first big clash this season) it was Bjerg's cassio that took all enemy CC and still killed mostly 1-2 enemies where Wild with Jinx did the cleanup after it (since no one was left to focus him after they tried to jump on Bjerg).

Sadly dyrus and wild turtle are the weakest players in TSM, and if they dont bench them for more Europeans or Asians there wont be any NA (by name) worth team in International stages. You just cant win the game with 2 players alone as its to easy to shut them down like EU and Asians do every year.

Foof1ghter8 votes

Also TSM was winning bot lane

When? Bora was ALL OVER THE MAP and Urgot had free farm fest 2v1. FNC did to Bjergsen what TSM does to other mid laners, Support and Jungle ganks to tilt them and rek them. And oh boy, Bjerg got rekt.

Speckfechta2 votes

Also FNC will get reked and will lose because they are getting carried from the Asians or the other sloteyes ;) So SKT go for the win and show FNC how to play.

Masaco8 votes

this is the most salty comment so far lets just remember that TSM was getting carried by a korean and 2 europeans the whole season long

Nyoark5 votes

Tsm didnt deserve to be here at msi. Liquid or impulse would of been better, less arrogant and more adapatable. C9 even with hais injuries could have done better. The power rankings dont give a team the best rates on a team going by just the previous seasons win/losses. Tsm fans you put your faith into a faultering organization and when you grow up real teams are waiting for your support.

JustGoneViral2 votes

Ezreal Agreed

handstandpushup3 votes

Not exactly a tsm fan but I enjoy their performances usually. Here's the thing that no one is saying though. Tsm lost their first match in BOTH the semifinal against team impulse AND the finals against cloud 9. If those had been best of ones tsm wouldn't even have made it out of the semi finals. So I'm not sure why anyone would be suprised by their performance. With that being said it would have been nice to see how c9 faired against these teams. I think fanatic would still have won the best of 1. But I'd bet c9 would not have had such a truly embarrassing showing.

Also for real I think dyrus needs to accept the fact that tsm would be a much better team with a stronger top laner.

SKT KuroNeko3 votes

NA region as a whole is just waaay too trash compared to the rest of the world.. They let dyrus farm because all the other team's mid laners are garbage which forces their jungle to gank mid to keep bjergsen from snowballing.. At the world stage when ALL the midlaners are on par or even better than bjergsen (faker/pawn/westdoor/febiven) the jungle need not to help mid.. but rather attack TSM's weakest link which is dyrus. TSM often leaves dyrus off on an island and they paid for it. in NA yea u can do that cuz other junglers are too busy helping mid they dont go top.. but when international teams have MIDs who can lane against bjerg... they allow the jungler to focus top and as we all saw.. Dyrus got camped and TSM got owned..

Yamikaze2 votes

Nautilus

Slash Wind2 votes

I feel like santori got to step up his junglin if tsm wants to have a chance in this tournament, like if I compare him to reignover bengi or any other jungler of top teams his lane presence seems kinda sloppy, else tsm lanes seem rather solid, though dyrus doesnt seem to get his hands on comfort picks but rather trys to pick what seems op and then underperforms duo to not enough knowladge of the line up hes facing.

Vega Hartmann1 votes

This is an interview did to many pros (Including TSM members) pre-MSI, and about MSI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoQpYma-OcA

"We are gonna see the most disappointing performance for Europe." Dyrus "Fnatic is going to crash and burn" Locodoco

This will remain in history

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