Quick Gameplay Thoughts March 29

RiotRiotAether·3/29/2019, 4:03:11 PM·1 votes·133,228 views

Howdy friends, posting this one on Meddler's behalf!

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I won't be posting much during April since I'll be off work for a while on paternity leave. You should see posts on a range of topics from others instead though. Talk to you folks again in a bit! http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/6.24.1/img/champion/Ziggs.png

82 Comments

OtterlyLost3/29/2019, 4:07:23 PM39 votes

Oh! Congratulations on the new baby to Riot Meddler then! :) Glad to see that even the guys get parental leave in the case of a new baby! Happy adventures with the little one.

[sg-kiko]

MasterMYi3/29/2019, 4:06:43 PM31 votes

Hello,designer, i am a Chinese player, it is so difficult to come here and create a discussion. Although my English is not good enough like local players. However, this article is my painstaking effort, i earnestly request designer and balance team can see and think about this. I spent a lot of time to write this. This article was sent to many website in China, it had many comments and agreements in different websites in China such as bilibili, Baidu post Bar, NGA, Weibo, Zhihu and so on. Clearly, it can represent many ideas of Chinese players. The topic is "Full analysis and advice about the rework of Akail" This is the text:

I am a challenger player on Akali in S6 and S7. I think new Akali is not a successful rework.

Since the new version of Akali came out, it can be said that it was frequently boarded on the LOL Pro League (LPL, LCK and so on) , and general players have followed this. This champion can always appear in "TOP 10 operation show" matches in Pro league. However, in ordinary games, the win rate of Akali haven't higher than 50%, especially in mid line (always in about 45%, and lower than 40% in 9.3).The balanced team nerfed her constantly since she was reworked. Actually, her performance is not actually very showy in Pro league. However, what is the reason that she always can appear in Pro league.

1, Stability advantage on top line, in LPL, most professional player afraid solo killed in the match, once they was solo killed by other professional players, there are many news in each forum and board talking about their performance. Obviously, Akali can suppress most champions on top line, when she get a litter advantage, she can kill other champions continuously. We know Pro leagure is not same as ordinary games, the other line usually do not have the condition like our teammates get 0/5, 0/6. Therefore, this champion can make stable advantage and get continuous pressure in her line before 9.3. This is the first reason why she can appear in Pro league but has low win rate in rank.

2, is the distance between the player in rank and Pro league, this is like the conditon of Azir and Ryze. These two champions is not easy to balance. When you buff them slightly, they will dominate Pro league, however, in ordinary games and ranks, their win rates is really too low. Akali is similar to them. Why? Because the teammates in the pro league is different to ordinary games. I know there is a word "troll" in English. This behavior is much more common in Chinese server. The reworked Akali can not solo carry a game. In the Pro league match, the teammates never troll in any game. Therefore, her advantages can be brought to whole team and “operating”(in Chinese) in a game.

I usually follow the forum of American server, the most views about Akali is "Frustration" on her W. It means the enemy always feel bad because of her W. She can repeat QA QA in her W, and the enemy can not counterattack, even those champions who have directive skills. This makes the experience of enemy become very bad. When they killed Akali, they also feel being played by Akali. This is "Frustration"

However, is this experience to the enemy gives Akali players a good experience?

My answer is "No" "Never"

The reason is so easy, because Akali players can not win the game. Many American players only know about frustration, but they didn't think about the problem that Akali can not win a game.

It is true that her solo kill ability and making "frustration" ability are good. However, she can not win the game even though she killed enemies many times. Why?

1, The first reason is Akali does not have a "snowball" ability which an assassin should have. This snowball is not saying about solo kill on the line, it's the ability that helping team and teammates, then go to win. I know the designer emphasize nerfing Akali's snowball ability when she was reworked. However, new Akali's snowball ability is even weaker than Leblanc, Zed. Well-known, in general rank games, Leblanc and Zed is easy to solo kill on their line, but after they killed their enemies for some times, they still can not win this game. This problem on Akali is more serious, compared with them, her skill R has one of the longest 120 cooldown in league of legend, as an assassin. She don't have a continuous fight ability in the game. After she used her R, she is too foolish to the enemy who know her skill combination. In addition, Her fighting ability is rely on her W. If she does not have W, she always can only "ob" her teammates and enemies fights. I think is not a good mechanism. In her W and QA QA, I don't think this is a good design. It decreases the explosive speed of an assassin and making "frustration" on her enemy.

2, The limited clearing minions ability. The energy cost of Akali's Q is too high, only using two times "Q", her energy will be very low. Except in the advantage condition, Akali's Q even can not kill a long-distance minion. After she cleaning the minions, she does not have any fighting ability because of no energy. Therefore, her solo "cleaning minions" ability is too weak. When she cleaning some minions, she does not have any energy to strike back if other enemy champions come.

3, is the killing speed of an assassin. She always can kill many enemies before 20 min in this game. However, it is useless, in the later game, akali always die in “unknown AOE” because she can not make killing faster. The passive skill of her has high damage, but is relative too slow in later game. This is similar to Leblanc in S7. Her passive is too slow in later game, too. To that Leblanc, i think the designer can reduce the passive time (1.5s) in later time. Maybe 1.5s in lv1, 1s in lv 9, 0.5s in lv 15. Then decrease her damage growth. I think this will be a good adjustment. However, that Leblanc is not exist. I will not talk more suggestions about her. Nevertheless, this ways is not suitable to Akali, because her passive value is not easy to change like reduce circles in later game and move speed. Overall, killing speed is really too important to an assassin in later game. It has a positive correlation to the ability of making chance.

Ok, these three points is the reason why she can not win the game, even though she get lots of kills. (Maybe my expression in English is not very accurate, if you want to know more accurate about this, you can ask professional interpreter to translate my Chinese version, if this article is really useful) So, this is the most failure place i think about the rework of Akali.

New Akali's skill mechanism is really not good. The biggest balance problem is her W, however, not like S6 and S7 Akali, her W decide her whole ability of fights. She only can fight with the enemies when W is not in the cooldown. In addition, why old Akali's W does not have any "Frustration", because when old Akali need to attack enemy, she always appear longer time to attack enemy. In this time, other emenies can use any methods to counter her.

About your buffs on 9.4 or 9.5. I think about this for a long time, it is really not easy to buffs her. such as: reduce her Q energy cost, reduce cool down of R and adding AP suck blood. These changes might change a little bit win rate of her. But her problem is W, if W is too weak, akali will stay on the ground. If W is too strong, she will dominate Pro league and bring "Frustration".

I still think old Akali is better, the biggest reason is she can win the game. Her line and solo kill ability in early game is not really good. But she can get advantage in the group fight in early game. It is true that "smurf" can bring negative experience to lower division rank players, however, this is the problem of "smurfs", not old Akali's players' problems. You should try to reduce the amount of "smurfs". In Master and Chanllager even diamond rank , old Akali is really a balanced champion. Her total win rate is always near to 50%(49%-50%) The players who really have higher skills on her can use distinctive operation to win a game. I don't want you delete this distinctive champion. Her ability is unique and interesting (at least no Frustration on enemy players) She has clear weakness and merits. Please think about adjust back to old Akali. To tell the truth, after the rework of Akali, my gaming time on LOL is decreasing about 70%. I just feel boring when i use new Akali that i can not carry this game due to the reason of "troller". I only can report them after the game and feel annoyed. However, these troll players still always exist in the rank game when i play the game. This is true "Frustration" to me. When i play old Akali, i always have feeling that i can win this game. But now, i only can win the game when my teammates have a good performance (at least not "troll"). I feel really so sad, and now, i can not achieve challenger in the first server in China.

"Maybe one day she will come back along that way, but this will be decided by herself." This is your background story about Akali. When i see this, i feel lacrimal. I am waiting for the day which she can come back... that girl. Akali

This article was translated by myself and the author of Chinese version is me too. Maybe my English translation is not actually good enough, if you think it make sense. Please think about this and let Chinese staffs go to that Chinese website to have a look. I really hope designer and balance team can think about the opinion of players, not only in LOL Pro league matches.

Thanks for your reading! 14/02/2019

Xxxyyy MasterYyyi

I tried to type this many times, just hope you can see this.

Sharpest glasses3/29/2019, 5:03:34 PM6 votes

Before leaving can we know if you (or the one working on Wukong) will make a thread to explain changes or goal ?? Or if you will open a discussion with Wukong mains (subreddit).

Deep Terror Nami3/29/2019, 4:23:29 PM6 votes

I'm still interested in when supports get a gold item mechanic that isn't gutted to prevent abuse from other lanes.

LL Justice3/29/2019, 4:11:45 PM6 votes

Any changes planned to help Galio viable in mid lane while tunning down the support galio in competitive?

Pirate Pug3/29/2019, 4:49:50 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler! First off congrats on the new Sapling! Second, you mentioned last week there would be some discussion on the state of Swain Any details on if he'll get some love?

Ałice3/29/2019, 4:07:57 PM5 votes

Anything for Zac please? His R is currently bugged, I reported 1 week ago.Zac

Spideraxe3/29/2019, 4:10:55 PM5 votes

Take as much time as you need Meddler

Diablo v23/29/2019, 4:49:03 PM5 votes

Asol is struggling in the midlane, lack of damage mana problems cause of all the rune changes/ap items getting nerfed his ulty dooesnot provide any dmg until 3 items do u have any plans for him?

FafliX3/30/2019, 12:08:40 AM5 votes

Congratulations!

I still want to ask about the Garen buffs on PBE right now. Why do you keep buffing his tankyness? What makes him so bad is how little damage he does. Even when getting into the enemy backline later in the game, he doesn't do enough damage, to the point where most ADCs can straight up facetank him, even worse if they actually do kite or gets help from their team. I would love to see some E damage buffs. What he actually needs is some % damage that is physical and not on his ult. I was suggesting for a while, to remove the % damage from his ult, and make it a flat execute like Riven R, and in return give him some % damage on his E. If you need to, just remove his villain mechanic to balance it out. Nobody likes that anyway.

Or remove some of this tankyness. The tankyness his W gives him is honestly insane, but not dying doesn't help when you deal no damage.

Also, his E getting tics per level feels horrible. I'd much prefer flat 8 tics or something across all levels, and maybe put the level scaling into the damage part, if you think he needs that. Although that is just a preference QoL thing.

only luciano3/29/2019, 6:52:51 PM4 votes

Hey, What is the current state of Syndra ? Do you think she is going to get a buff soon? or a buff to her mana pool?

Galiö3/29/2019, 4:21:24 PM4 votes

Enjoy your paternity leave if you see this! Good luck and enjoy the time to bond with your child. Also congrats.

Kadexe3/29/2019, 5:21:36 PM4 votes

So, uhhhh. Riot Aether! What are your gameplay thoughts? The floor's all yours!

Lord Raphel3/29/2019, 4:49:36 PM4 votes

Congratulations!!! Best wishes! Much light for your family!

[sg-ahri-2] [sg-kiko] [slayer-jinx-catface] [galio-happy]

T8 Speedwagon3/29/2019, 4:43:50 PM3 votes

Congrats :D

Winterkill3/29/2019, 5:22:22 PM3 votes

I'm not a fan of Meddler as a game developer/designer. As a father he will be the best. Congrats to your wife and you, Meddler.

Dope Solo3/29/2019, 4:26:47 PM3 votes

It was said that the Zed buffs were predicted to only raise his ban rate about 1%. It appears this was wrong, as he now sits in S tier for 2 lanes, and is banned in 50% of all games, up from 37% a few patches ago. Are you finally satisfied that he's now received enough welfare to be boosted into pro play, and was it really worth making the player base miserable in the process? How long do we have to wait before you start walking this problem backwards?

Blu 13/29/2019, 5:50:10 PM3 votes

When vayne nerfs?

Akenero3/29/2019, 4:42:02 PM3 votes

Congrats btw, enjoy your time off!

Ahris3/29/2019, 6:16:34 PM2 votes

Any talk about the hinted Ahri rework?

GaminAsian3/29/2019, 9:06:21 PM2 votes

Could there be any considerations to making AP Shaco/ Shaco Support viable? The changes to make boxes proc comet and liandires were great, but could we also see E damage being adaptive and the ability for boxes to proc spellthief’s edge?

pogcorn3/29/2019, 9:26:31 PM2 votes

Bring back old aatrox

congratz btw

xxxDogmanxxx3/31/2019, 1:01:57 PM2 votes

Congratulations Meddler for becoming a dad! Should we call you Daddy Meddler? Meddler Daddy? Medadler?

Void Kaiju3/30/2019, 1:22:53 AM1 votes

There's a couple of Cho'Gath bugs on the live servers right now. With a buff on the horizon, is there a chance that these will be fixed? Off the top of my head: Q Visual bug where the animation goes off twice. R bug where if you ult a minion as your teammate kills it, your ult goes on cooldown and you do not get a stack (sometimes happens with champions too) R Indicator still showing when your ult will not kill a target due to a shield proc when they are at low health (Blitz mana barrier, Phantom Dancer, Steraks Gage). R indicator fading in or out, making it a crap shoot whether or not it will actually kill a marked target due to the delay before it appears/vanishes.

The R bugs are especially harmful.