Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 22

RiotMeddler·2/22/2019, 4:58:50 PM·1 votes·143,058 views

Hi folks,

Usual Disclaimers

These posts will often contain talk about future work we're doing, or planning to do, that isn't yet guaranteed to ship. The nature of the work could change or, depending on what we discover, projects mentioned may get delayed or even stopped. If you'd like to see a Tweet whenever a new one of these posts goes up: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler

9.5 a simpler patch

9.5 is likely to be a fairly straightforward, and probably comparatively small patch. It'll have a range of champion balance changes in it, current expectation is it won't have any larger changes to game systems though (things like the crit item changes recently for example). We've got work on bounty system improvements underway, those will likely be in 9.6 though.

Some early observations on 9.4

Note, these are being written just hours after the patch went out, so possible a few things have become clearer in the day or so since.

  • Azir and Rek'Sai - both have comparatively small play rates, so it's harder to get a quick read on how they're doing post changes. Looking like both got noteworthy power increases, too early to say much beyond that though.
  • Kai'Sa - Is performing noticeably better post patch even though the only change for her was an update to her recommended items. Good reminder for us when we're assessing balance that a character's potential performance and how they're on average being played can be pretty different. Important to account for what effective playstyles/builds can yield and/or help players intuitively identify such builds as a result.
  • Urgot - Lost a meaningful amount of power as expected. We're still planning on letting him settle for a patch. Likely result after that is we put some power back into him in 9.6 in different places than where it was taken out. Depends on how he performs between now and then though of course.
  • Conqueror - Again, hard to assess off just part of a day of play on the new patch. Some of its users are almost certainly performing quite a bit better with it than before (e.g. Riven, Olaf and Irelia). Early indications suggest others are potentially neutral or a bit worse (e.g. Trynd, Darius and Yi). We're expecting we'll have a much clearer read on its power later today and should then be able to make calls on what sort of follow up is or isn't needed. Most likely target if it's too strong is reducing the amount of Adaptive Force each stack gives, though it would of course depend on in what ways its users were out of line. Not clear yet if any AP champs are effective, or even overpowered, users of it, given not enough people have tried it out yet on champs who weren't good users of the old version. Similarly not yet clear whether there are marksmen for whom it's a great choice, though expect we'll get a clear read on that too soon.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/6.24.1/img/champion/Ziggs.png

247 Comments

Libido2/22/2019, 5:27:29 PM24 votes

Shen Buffs? He has been 47% wr whole season 8, and season 9 aint looking better either. Sunfirecape buff only covered tiamant nerf.

TV Offline2/22/2019, 5:04:02 PM17 votes

Hey Medder, any thoughs, buffs or future plans about Amumu?

mkwstar2/22/2019, 5:01:20 PM15 votes

Several sites show Riven on a staggering 54-55%. Is it not time to bring her a notch down?

NeverSupporting2/22/2019, 5:15:54 PM10 votes

Any thoughts on Shen? Shen

Painbringerbabe2/22/2019, 7:56:27 PM9 votes

Hi meddler . I wanted to ask your thoughts about garen atm and whether he needs a buff or not . For many patches in a row he has less than 3% pick rate and barely maintained a close to 50% win rate until patch 9.3 . We are currently at patch 9.4 and he ( already ) is at 46.67 % wr , while having 2.13% pick rate according to op.gg , official statistics site . Being at tier no 5 , he may actually be the worst top laner in the game atm ( post platinum ) . His win rate is really abyssmal for a simple to play champion mechanically . Please consider at least tweaks in his power levels , so that he is somewhat playable in high elo if he cannot be buffed because he would be too oppressive in low elo . Thank you in advance and keep up the good work

Xayane2/22/2019, 5:23:24 PM6 votes

Hi Meddler, nothing coming for very dominant picks in competitive right now aka Ezreal Vladimir Lissandra Leblanc Zoe ?

Blood Teller2/22/2019, 5:34:56 PM6 votes

Thoughts on Taliyah Taliyah ? She could use some love.

DCYOUNG8882/22/2019, 5:06:21 PM6 votes

Are there any plans to buff Aatrox Aatrox this pbe patch and if so how will he be adjusted? Also you mentioned something about Shyvana Shyvana supposed to be getting passive stat buffs for when she kills elder drake is that going to get fixed?

DerpyMcGoo212/22/2019, 7:06:57 PM6 votes

Currently, Shen is in the worst state that he's been post-rework since launch. The idea is to keep him balanced around pro play. His post rework kit is centered around teamwork and coordination with nerfs to his solo laning. Creating a very lackluster experience when playing him top. Early levels in his q is still insufficient to farm under tower, the idea of his empowered Q autos is a neat mechanic the problem with it is having to constantly reposition it to make use of it which leads to being at risk of being out of position, you can be punished by the enemy top laner as well as getting caught by the enemy jungler trying to reposition your sword.

With his high Q cooldown early game you have to either use it to trade with an enemy laner when they go in for harass or use it to kill minions to farm effectively due to Shen's low base damage. This ability currently suffers from very low reward for what it's supposed to do. Shen in the top lane, suffers from many bad match ups usually resulting in him getting shoved under tower. Leaving Shen to scrap up what he can and wait until 6 to make a play elsewhere on the map. The problem with this, due to the current meta of tower plating, the enemy top laner will just take free plates resulting in Shen being even further behind. His W, is very powerful when going for an Ult play to save an ally, and comes in handy to mitigate damage in a team fight, again in Solo queue the lack of coordination can cause this ability to not be used to its greatest potential but has a ridiculously long cooldown as well.

His E has always been extremely satisfying to use, landing a taunt on multiple people can change the fight entirely, but also has a long cooldown. His ult has been standard, nerfed at times, but a lower cooldown teleport at 3 minutes and 20 seconds at level 6, and 2 minutes and 40 seconds at level 16. Pre-rework Shen was ultimately more satisfying to use. his in lane sustain with vorpal blades, the on hit heal, as well as his old passive ki strike which made shen a decent duelist as he built more health. The most important thing that made pre-rework Shen enjoying to play was his build diversity, ranging from Tank, bruiser, on-hit, as well as Ap off-tank. As opposed to current Shen's cookie cutter build Tiamat/Sunfire, and the non-AD ratios make building any sort of AD useless on Shen.

Shen is supposed to be Zed's counterpart; a kickass ninja fighting in the name of balance, his current abilities doesn't fit that thematic. It's to the point where playing Shen is a constant frustration, he's just not fun to play in his current state. Shen is considered a tank but with one of the lowest base tank stats in the game, even below some mages and marksman.

Shen is a champion that relies on two items because his wave clear is one of the worst, if not the worst clears in the game. Tiamat and sunfire. His Q damage to minion is so low that he has to pre hit minions under tower. The Shen community has been struggling playing this champion with a dropping winrate. We'd love to have a small sejuani/ezreal rework treatment done to his kit, or at the very least number changes like CD reductions or swapping out those useless AP ratios that shen never builds AP for, into AD or HP scaling.

I'm stuck playing Shen as support because he has better utility there. No worrying about farming or having 2x-3x longer ability cooldowns than most top laners.

Copypasta from the Sad Shen Bois

Shentakill2/22/2019, 6:34:20 PM6 votes

Currently, Shen is in the worst state that he's been post-rework since launch. The idea is to keep him balanced around pro play. His post rework kit is centered around teamwork and coordination with nerfs to his solo laning. Creating a very lackluster experience when playing him top. Early levels in his q is still insufficient to farm under tower, the idea of his empowered Q autos is a neat mechanic the problem with it is having to constantly reposition it to make use of it which leads to being at risk of being out of position, you can be punished by the enemy top laner as well as getting caught by the enemy jungler trying to reposition your sword.

With his high Q cooldown early game you have to either use it to trade with an enemy laner when they go in for harass or use it to kill minions to farm effectively due to Shen's low base damage. This ability currently suffers from very low reward for what it's supposed to do. Shen in the top lane, suffers from many bad match ups usually resulting in him getting shoved under tower. Leaving Shen to scrap up what he can and wait until 6 to make a play elsewhere on the map. The problem with this, due to the current meta of tower plating, the enemy top laner will just take free plates resulting in Shen being even further behind. His W, is very powerful when going for an Ult play to save an ally, and comes in handy to mitigate damage in a team fight, again in Solo queue the lack of coordination can cause this ability to not be used to its greatest potential but has a ridiculously long cooldown as well.

His E has always been extremely satisfying to use, landing a taunt on multiple people can change the fight entirely, but also has a long cooldown. His ult has been standard, nerfed at times, but a lower cooldown teleport at 3 minutes and 20 seconds at level 6, and 2 minutes and 40 seconds at level 16. Pre-rework Shen was ultimately more satisfying to use. his in lane sustain with vorpal blades, the on hit heal, as well as his old passive ki strike which made shen a decent duelist as he built more health. The most important thing that made pre-rework Shen enjoying to play was his build diversity, ranging from Tank, bruiser, on-hit, as well as Ap off-tank. As opposed to current Shen's cookie cutter build Tiamat/Sunfire, and the non-AD ratios make building any sort of AD useless on Shen.

Shen is supposed to be Zed's counterpart; a kickass ninja fighting in the name of balance, his current abilities doesn't fit that thematic. It's to the point where playing Shen is a constant frustration, he's just not fun to play in his current state. Shen is considered a tank but with one of the lowest base tank stats in the game, even below some mages and marksman.

Shen is a champion that relies on two items because his wave clear is one of the worst, if not the worst clears in the game. Tiamat and sunfire. His Q damage to minion is so low that he has to pre hit minions under tower. The Shen community has been struggling playing this champion with a dropping winrate. We'd love to have a small sejuani/ezreal rework treatment done to his kit, or at the very least number changes like CD reductions or swapping out those useless AP ratios that shen never builds AP for, into AD or HP scaling.

I'm stuck playing Shen as support because he has better utility there. No worrying about farming or having 2x-3x longer ability cooldowns than most top laners.

Frosted Tips2/22/2019, 10:31:41 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler,

Even thought AP Bruisers are now a bit better off because they can actually run Conqueror I was still wondering if you would reconsider looking into AP Bruiser itemization.

Also, do you think that some champions may fit the same role too closely? Example: Leona and Alistar, they both seem to fit this kinda of pure melee CC machines, but Alistar has some sustain and more CC, just with a little more delay to it. Personally I think Leona should have a little work done on her kit.

Spideraxe2/22/2019, 5:04:30 PM5 votes

HI Meddler, could you share the plans for Aatrox and Rakan this patch

Solari Fortune2/22/2019, 5:31:28 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler, thoughts on Aftershock, has there been any thought to revert it back to its original form of having it scale with armor and MR?

Oxinior from LAN2/22/2019, 6:21:31 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler, nothing about Shen? There are some replys to your earlier posts (Feb. 21, for example) where more Shen mains are asking the same but in an extended way. Would love to hear something about you in regards to our Eye of Twilight.

Sincerely, Oxinior.

Goldnight Angel2/22/2019, 7:41:33 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler! Now that the crit item changes have settled, any plans for Quinn ? She's not doing too well since the changes and most of that seems to be due to how heavily she was balanced around the previous items and the earlier power spike of Stormrazor. Without it her weaker laning phase and now slower power leads to her often never really coming online before she's past the point of relevance in most games. Is there any chance some of her stat nerfs could be reversed now that the problem items that required them no longer exist?

SuicidePlank2/22/2019, 5:01:16 PM4 votes

Bugfix GP AA please.

Shahamut2/22/2019, 9:16:04 PM4 votes

Skarner ?

meteorbreaker2/22/2019, 5:23:12 PM4 votes

Hello Meddler!

Is there any thread will be future plans for Coop vs All? Bug fixes and gameplay edits bots? Updating bots? adding new bots? Adding more sophisticated bots?

Emo Twink2/22/2019, 5:00:30 PM4 votes

Did the Neeko fix get hotpatched yet? I'm looking forward to that because it's bugging me a lot ;a;

Zaghyr2/22/2019, 8:38:21 PM4 votes

Any plans for Xayah?

ModJango Mage2/22/2019, 5:15:59 PM3 votes

Last year you said that Banner of command could return in the future. Is that statement still true? If yes, can we expect it again anytime soon?

Rúna Köves2/22/2019, 6:49:04 PM2 votes

Hi Meddler! Can you give your thoughts on the corrent state of my boi Shaco ? Since the Dark Harvest rework and some indirect nerfs like item 3077 price increase , summoner 14 nerf, the whole jungle experience nerf and the whole adc itemization changes he is just not feel right imo and has a hard time to find his place in the current jg meta as some sites say like op.gg atm. https://i.imgur.com/SifALen.png"

What is your oppinion about it? Thank you for your answer!