Why hello thar mods

KFCeytron·1/29/2019, 10:20:59 PM·3 votes·3,185 views

I try very hard to follow rules. I've even sat in Discord and waited for hours to ask a mod whether content I intended to post was appropriate. I've also requested an opt-in manual review to preapprove posts. However, as I'm sure you've noticed, the rate at which I violate Boards rules (judging by my removed posts) has not only not decreased to zero, it is accelerating. The most recent one was the most perplexing (to me). I was participating in a thread about paying for opportunities to get an in-game advantage. Unfortunately, one of a few people who didn't understand this concept began to get very agitated and confrontational, shouting in caps, calling people a "waste of time," and so on, finally announcing that he was going to leave in a huff before mods got him for swearing at people. I explained that swearing isn't a guarantee of mod action, but screaming, baiting, calling people a "waste of time," etc. are more likely to attract notice.

As it turns out, replying to someone after they've basically given you the finger and stomped off constitutes harassment, because obviously they were tired of your stupid shit, right? And you kept being an idiot and wasting their time - sorry, not wasting their time, but being a waste of time - so if you do that, you've broken the rules. Doesn't matter that you're patiently and politely trying to turn someone from a raging, baiting troll into a constructive Boards poster; doesn't matter that they don't have to read your reply; hitting that reply button is not allowed. Here's a direct quote from my mod message:

If someone is trying to tell you they're done with a conversation, the appropriate response is to leave them alone, rather than responding to their most recent message in order to have the last word. Continuing to infringe on someone's boundaries can constitute Harassment and isn't tolerated. Additionally, if you see something that breaks the Universal Rules, please don't respond to it, and instead report it and move on. Responding to bad behaviour [with or without] bad behaviour isn't necessary, and causes unneeded clutter on the Boards.

I'll be sure to keep this in mind. If someone starts to annoy me, I'll tell them I'm done with the conversation. If they reply to me, I'll report them and eagerly await the post's removal. Because merely replying to someone who's told you not to on a publicly-accessible forum is Harassment. Capital H. And notice that there's no limitation by thread - all you have to do is tell someone you don't like talking to them, and from that point onward any attempt at interaction with you would be Harassment. The content of the post is immaterial. It could be as simple as "ya, I like cheese, too." The important part is that their posts infringe on your boundaries, and that's not allowed.

And hey, I even got a nice little threat that if I keep breaking the rules I CAN'T FUCKING AVOID BREAKING BECAUSE THEY'RE EQUAL TO WHATEVER A MOD FEELS LIKE AND THEY'RE KEPT INTENTIONALLY VAGUE SO THAT MODS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE, I'll be banned. :)

While there are going to be no actions against your account at this time, be aware that continually violating the rules will result in further consequences, up to and including suspensions to your Boards access.

I'm trying to understand your rules.

I cannot understand your rules.

I'm trying to follow your rules.

I cannot follow your rules.

You create vague, generic rules, you refuse to provide clarification before the fact, I try my best to remain calm, polite, and objective, but all you're doing is waiting for me to fail, and then you jump in with condescension and threats. Meanwhile, the person who baited me into this is probably sitting there giggling at the drama he created.

Mods, if you're thinking of replying to this post with a nice little patronizing "but your behavior wuz mean, and Rules say don't be mean, so obvious," don't. I hereby explicitly am not interested in being condescended to by people who keep the rules secret and then smack Wesley down when he trips over a fence into a flowerbed. If you do so now that I've specifically said I don't want it, it would fall under Harassment by the rules you interpreted at me and you would have to penalize yourselves.

I'm really tired of your games, basically.

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ModThe Djinn1/29/2019, 10:43:35 PM7 votes

{quoted}Doesn't matter that you're patiently and politely trying to turn someone from a raging, baiting troll into a constructive Boards poster...

The problem here comes from the following two lines:

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Millions of people all over the world fall for lotteries, casinos, and loot boxes.

^ This is not an appropriate response when someone decides they're done with the conversation (although they way the phrase it wasn't acceptable). The implication here is a strong "well, you're easily duped and that doesn't surprise me."

I do recommend actually stepping away and taking some time to think about how you can make more worthwhile contributions to the next conversation you join.

^ There is also a very strong implication here that someone is NOT making worthwhile contributions. While that may be true, pointing it out is not necessary.

Yes, they gave you the finger and stomped off. The problem isn't that you responded after that -- it's how you responded.

I'll be sure to keep this in mind. If someone starts to annoy me, I'll tell them I'm done with the conversation. If they reply to me, I'll report them and eagerly await the post's removal. Because merely replying to someone who's told you not to on a publicly-accessible forum is Harassment. Capital H.

That's not really how it works. We'll definitely take a look to see if there's a specific pattern of clear harassment (such as repeatedly spamming replies to someone who has bowed out of a conversation), but you do not get to dictate who does and doesn't get to respond to your posts.


Part of the reason I suspect you run into issues with the rules is that, looking over your history, you've acquired a rather high number of borderline removals compared to your number of more obvious violations. This is stuff that does add up, but isn't as clear-cut as many of our more obvious rules. There are definitely some grey areas, and your removal history (which isn't actually that bad, and contains a lot of removals that aren't even actually warnings) steps right smack into a bunch of them.

AntiSJW1/29/2019, 10:48:14 PM4 votes

Dude you're fighting a losing battle- they are non paid volunteers and you can't make Riot stop them from being bias or bad at their jobs

GreenKnight1/29/2019, 10:25:16 PM3 votes

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Awf Meta1/30/2019, 7:43:49 AM2 votes

Looks like you stumbled into some truth.

You are close to the point of no return. These moderators will hold a grudge for a very long time.

I recommend you talk with Riot before you decide to take the plunge. Open a support ticket. I think Riot Keyru is in charge of the volunteer moderator program.

Binding Eclipse1/29/2019, 10:22:02 PM1 votes

???

saltran1/29/2019, 10:35:29 PM1 votes

But hey comments with this in it are ok for Mods

Ye while at that im taking every scutle every drake herald pushing towers and my reatrded laners either 1 is a feeding pice of trash or b a feeding pice of trash......no

But that somehow it's not "being a jerk" and it's not that mods haven't seen the comment cuz I reported it hours ago so at least one of them has sure checked the comment.

His laners are players, so him calling them:

"piece of trash or b a feeding piece of crash"

Should count as going against the rule of not being a jerk right ?

And yet comments as "Check OP username" or "Dae Duskblade bad give me upvotes" are removed for "being a jerk"

That rule it's just too vague and it can be and it's used by mods here on a flawled way.