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Are these considered "being a jerk to someone"?

The Highest Noon··1 votes·4,733 views

Was told in message to discuss my concerns regarding moderation decisions here, so:

First,

> Because if you're toxic in game then you're toxic out of it as well. > > When they said that they don't want your toxicity on their platform, they meant it. And the client is in fact their platform as much as the game is.

Second,

> > Insane, really. > > Not really. The fact that you believe that in-game is a wonderous non-existent environment where what you say doesn't actually happen kinda supports the idea. Internet toxicity isn't separated from real life. When you're toxic on the internet, you're toxic in real life, across the internet. You wouldn't say it to someone's face so you'd say it on an internet platform. That's still real life, and you're still being a toxic person.

Third,

> > That is the most inhumane, dehumanizing generalization you could have ever possibly uttered. And you call us toxic for getting upset at people. > > How is it dehumanizing? How is it inhumane? How does any of those two terms apply to this situation of "The internet doesn't make it fantasy"? You are insulting someone. Is that not toxicity? To their face, over the phone, across the internet, using sign language, it's communication. You are communicating toxicity, therefor you are toxic. If you don't understand that, there's a reason you were punished. So you could understand that.

Granted, none of these statements were about anybody nor towards anybody, except for the last line of "If you don't understand that, there's a reason you were punished. So you can understand that." and "The fact that you believe that in-game is a wonderous non-existent environment where what you say doesn't actually happen kinda supports the idea." The rest were mere generalized statements regarding the topic at hand. If those on-topic statements are against rules, then the entire post should be removed because the topic in question was about player toxicity and why they don't have access to the client.

Or maybe the problem was with the wording of "you" "you're" "your" instead of [someone] [someone is] [someone's]? In that case, is it really an issue?

16 Comments

ModThe Djinn3 votes

Hm. I'll poke around. I don't have the time to dig into this at this precise moment since I'm at work and would like to seek clarity from the moderator in question and consult a few other people, but I'm not seeing anything I'd personally consider especially problematic here. My suspension is the "you are toxic" rather than the less-personal "you are being toxic" may have made the difference to the mod in question here, but I think this one is worth a second glance regardless.

I'll get back to you on this when I can!

The Highest Noon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-14T19:35:16.309+0000)

Hm. I'll poke around. I don't have the time to dig into this at this precise moment since I'm at work and would like to seek clarity from the moderator in question and consult a few other people, but I'm not seeing anything I'd personally consider especially problematic here. My suspension is the "you are toxic" rather than the less-personal "you are being toxic" may have made the difference to the mod in question here, but I think this one is worth a second glance regardless.

I'll get back to you on this when I can!

Thanks! That's more of an issue with myself, then. I do admit that my wording in the dialogue seems like I'm singling out people. That, for the most part, wasn't my intention since the conversation was more general (aside from the people insulting me, but I ignored that bit because of our last conversation lol)

Lhuhz1 votes

Hey I have a question:

Is the word c/i/r/c/l/e/j/e/r/k autobanned or is just that a lot of comments with it are worth ban regardless of the word ?

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Is the word c/i/r/c/l/e/j/e/r/k autobanned or is just that a lot of comments with it are worth ban regardless of the word ?

The latter. It's not an inherently banned word, but there's pretty much no reason to use it ever.

Lhuhz1 votes

Ty.

Marshbouy2 votes

disagree. it is an apt description of many different threads and usually the boards as a whole.

The Highest Noon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-01-14T20:03:28.842+0000)

The latter. It's not an inherently banned word, but there's pretty much no reason to use it ever.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the word were banned since it's at it's core defined as a sexual act.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=0001000100000002,timestamp=2019-01-14T21:54:11.799+0000)Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the word were banned since it's at it's core defined as a sexual act.

Yep. It's likely to be moderated when it appears as a result, but it's not specifically banned/censored.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

Hey there! As promised, I did a little digging. It seems there may have been some miscommunication here on our end.

The first removal was for the "if you're toxic in-game then you're toxic in real life" comment. That's not something we feel is appropriate, so you did get a removal and a request to avoid that behavior in the future.

The other two removals were part of a clean-up on the thread, as the conversation was becoming a little antagonistic. I'd recommend avoiding statements like "you are toxic" in favor of statements like "you are behaving in a toxic manner," as the former addresses the person in their entirety and the latter addresses a specific behavior undertaken at a point in time.

I do think these were ultimately fairly minor but, taking a look at the thread and the general tone of things, I am not going to reinstate them at this time. I will, however, make a note to downgrade you from a warning to a simple removal, as I do think a warning for this was a bit overly aggressive.

The Highest Noon2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-14T21:05:18.303+0000)

Hey there! As promised, I did a little digging. It seems there may have been some miscommunication here on our end.

The first removal was for the "if you're toxic in-game then you're toxic in real life" comment. That's not something we feel is appropriate, so you did get a removal and a request to avoid that behavior in the future.

The other two removals were part of a clean-up on the thread, as the conversation was becoming a little antagonistic. I'd recommend avoiding statements like "you are toxic" in favor of statements like "you are behaving in a toxic manner," as the former addresses the person in their entirety and the latter addresses a specific behavior undertaken at a point in time.

I do think these were ultimately fairly minor but, taking a look at the thread and the general tone of things, I am not going to reinstate them at this time. I will, however, make a note to downgrade you from a warning to a simple removal, as I do think a warning for this was a bit overly aggressive.

I think both cases are true--that my wording seemed more antagonistic than I meant as well. I'll try to take better care in the future. The first removal makes sense considering Riot's general ideology regarding toxicity.

Thanks again! :D

ModJikker3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-14T21:56:48.754+0000)

I think both cases are true--that my wording seemed more antagonistic than I meant as well. I'll try to take better care in the future. The first removal makes sense considering Riot's general ideology regarding toxicity.

Thanks again! :D

Glad this got explained. I do apologize that I didn't communicate the removals as clearly as I could have and they shouldn't have been warnings.

The Highest Noon1 votes

{quoted}

Glad this got explained. I do apologize that I didn't communicate the removals as clearly as I could have and they shouldn't have been warnings.

It's fine. I've been in contact with Riot Support over the past week or so and it seems that my general outlook regarding communication intrinsically conflicts with Riot's, so if ever there's an issue regarding my dialogue or word-choice it's most like my fault anyway. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] You did your job finely, errors or not.

Dr Dog2 votes

looks like wording to me, the implications of words like "your" and "you're" can be taken as directed at someone, a removal would do perfectly fine but if you got a temp ban i would consider that too far for a simple mistake, and the ones under "third" do seem directed at someone and would violate the universal rules, hope this helped

The Highest Noon2 votes

I kinda had that idea, so it doesn't really "help" so much as "reaffirm my assumption". As for that third one, only the last line was directed at someone. The rest of it was referencing my prior hypothetical situations. These are three responses made in a single thread lol

I guess I'll have to work on adjusting my dialogue, then. Already have to do it in-game. Have to do it off-game too, it seems. Trying to control the masses-ass system. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Dr Dog2 votes

well you did ask if they are considered being a jerk, what you thought was probably right and some affirming from others is never a bad thing with things like this, but the last ones do come off a bit personal trust me i know its hard not to do that personally but ya you should work on how you word things and avoid words that make generally negative things seem like they could be directed at someone here

The Highest Noon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=npMk1sUE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-14T19:44:13.018+0000)

well you did ask if they are considered being a jerk, what you thought was probably right and some affirming from others is never a bad thing with things like this, but the last ones do come off a bit personal trust me i know its hard not to do that personally but ya you should work on how you word things and avoid words that make generally negative things seem like they could be directed at someone here

Yeah, yeah. It's soooo muuuch woooork having to type s o m e o n e instead of y o u [sg-ahri-1] That's a whole 4 more letters!

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