Are these considered "being a jerk to someone"?

The Highest Noon·1/14/2019, 7:27:43 PM·1 votes·4,733 views

Was told in message to discuss my concerns regarding moderation decisions here, so:

First,

> Because if you're toxic in game then you're toxic out of it as well. > > When they said that they don't want your toxicity on their platform, they meant it. And the client is in fact their platform as much as the game is.

Second,

> > Insane, really. > > Not really. The fact that you believe that in-game is a wonderous non-existent environment where what you say doesn't actually happen kinda supports the idea. Internet toxicity isn't separated from real life. When you're toxic on the internet, you're toxic in real life, across the internet. You wouldn't say it to someone's face so you'd say it on an internet platform. That's still real life, and you're still being a toxic person.

Third,

> > That is the most inhumane, dehumanizing generalization you could have ever possibly uttered. And you call us toxic for getting upset at people. > > How is it dehumanizing? How is it inhumane? How does any of those two terms apply to this situation of "The internet doesn't make it fantasy"? You are insulting someone. Is that not toxicity? To their face, over the phone, across the internet, using sign language, it's communication. You are communicating toxicity, therefor you are toxic. If you don't understand that, there's a reason you were punished. So you could understand that.

Granted, none of these statements were about anybody nor towards anybody, except for the last line of "If you don't understand that, there's a reason you were punished. So you can understand that." and "The fact that you believe that in-game is a wonderous non-existent environment where what you say doesn't actually happen kinda supports the idea." The rest were mere generalized statements regarding the topic at hand. If those on-topic statements are against rules, then the entire post should be removed because the topic in question was about player toxicity and why they don't have access to the client.

Or maybe the problem was with the wording of "you" "you're" "your" instead of [someone] [someone is] [someone's]? In that case, is it really an issue?

16 Comments

ModThe Djinn1/14/2019, 7:35:16 PM3 votes

Hm. I'll poke around. I don't have the time to dig into this at this precise moment since I'm at work and would like to seek clarity from the moderator in question and consult a few other people, but I'm not seeing anything I'd personally consider especially problematic here. My suspension is the "you are toxic" rather than the less-personal "you are being toxic" may have made the difference to the mod in question here, but I think this one is worth a second glance regardless.

I'll get back to you on this when I can!

ModThe Djinn1/14/2019, 9:05:18 PM3 votes

Hey there! As promised, I did a little digging. It seems there may have been some miscommunication here on our end.

The first removal was for the "if you're toxic in-game then you're toxic in real life" comment. That's not something we feel is appropriate, so you did get a removal and a request to avoid that behavior in the future.

The other two removals were part of a clean-up on the thread, as the conversation was becoming a little antagonistic. I'd recommend avoiding statements like "you are toxic" in favor of statements like "you are behaving in a toxic manner," as the former addresses the person in their entirety and the latter addresses a specific behavior undertaken at a point in time.

I do think these were ultimately fairly minor but, taking a look at the thread and the general tone of things, I am not going to reinstate them at this time. I will, however, make a note to downgrade you from a warning to a simple removal, as I do think a warning for this was a bit overly aggressive.

Dr Dog1/14/2019, 7:33:17 PM2 votes

looks like wording to me, the implications of words like "your" and "you're" can be taken as directed at someone, a removal would do perfectly fine but if you got a temp ban i would consider that too far for a simple mistake, and the ones under "third" do seem directed at someone and would violate the universal rules, hope this helped