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Dizzaztir·9/5/2018, 6:59:56 AM·2 votes·1,550 views

Please do not flame me, a portion of player behaviour commentors are attempting to do that as we speak. I am trying to have a serious discussion about the way Riot handles bans as I think it has led massively to the player base being what it is, which is by no means close to the numbers that were here when I started, or even as broadly spread.

Riot? I mean, I've been banned in game for asking for a report, and upon answering someones question regarding these things with a direct quote from Jenny I was told I was infinitesimally wrong and even indirectly referred to as 'stupid'. I feel like this should be much easier to handle than the bans I've recieved, one of which was literally 'talking too much in game'.

I'm sure my responses were not all 100% friendly but other than calling someone a 'child' for arguing with me across 5 seperate posts simply because I responded there, I'm pretty sure I did nothing wrong. If I did it'd be far from the first time I was banned from something involving Riot for an unclear or mis-stated rule such as follows.

"Naming and Shaming -No personal attacks or witch-hunting, for any reason. Do not make posts accusing another player of causing a negative in-game experience, cheating, trolling, or any other malicious activity, even if you have hard evidence.

-If you see or hear about another person breaking the rules in-game, send a ticket to Player Support. If you see or hear about another person breaking the rules on the board, report the post in question or come to the Moderation Discord."

I read TWICE in that rule that it refers directly to In-game experience and in-game content, yet I was immediately told upon quoting someones forum post into a new thread b/c they're post was unrelated to the previous discussion, that I was 'Naming and Shaming' for asking if what they did was in fact against forum policy.

How am I supposed to know? When I started league 5 years ago there was no rule against asking for a report, then at some point in the recent past that rule became a thing and I've since watched 6 accounts get banned (one my own) for simply asking a highly toxic individual be reported, while verifying through personal acquaintance that the individual who was toxic wasn't banned, on the same account, 5 of those 6 times. The last he actually did recieve a matching penalty of 10+ games with chat restriction....

4 Comments

Dizzaztir9/5/2018, 7:13:45 AM3 votes

Here's a TL;DR ::::

I'm tired of the rules not being clearly explained or changed to fit whoever was offended this week. Either clearly state your rules and hold everyone to them, or expect the current slope to continue as people lose accounts for things they've done for 5 years all b/c you decided to enforce something differently or all together change a policy.

BIG DADDY CHAD9/5/2018, 7:21:46 AM2 votes

I feel your pain.

ModPeriscope9/5/2018, 8:41:44 AM2 votes

The Player behavior board is for in-game behavior. If you have a player to report, you can bring it to us on the discord. Otherwise, hit the report button, located to the bottom right of the comment or discussion. We will look into the report.

FixHealsRemoveGW9/5/2018, 10:10:16 PM1 votes

Please do not flame me, a portion of player behaviour commentors are attempting to do that as we speak. I am trying to have a serious discussion about the way Riot handles bans as I think it has led massively to the player base being what it is, which is by no means close to the numbers that were here when I started, or even as broadly spread.

Without knowing your motivation and your reasons I can tell you that I think so too. In particular I think that the heavy chat restrictions and bans actually didn't improve the game AT ALL. Because in short I also think that toxic chat is for the most part an indicator for toxic gameplay, chat is used to vent but also to exchange ideas and you can restrict communication and make people afraid of using the chat, but then the gameplay is still toxic and all the negativity and the conflicts will manifest somewhere else, for example as even worse gameplay or hatred towards Riot. The chat should remain free and only extreme offenses should be punished, because the chat is not the source and you can't fix anything by doctoring around on the surface. To some extent I think it's actually hindering conflicts from getting solved when players are expected to shut the hell up or mute each other. There is even this notion in the game that developed over time, that just disagreeing with somebody is "toxic".

But when I look at your discussion I think you are confusing a lot of things here so I can't really agree.

Asking for reports is first and foremost pointless, doing the report yourself is good enough. Whether asking for reports is worthy of a permaban is a different discussion. I'd say a chat restriction maybe if you are doing it way too often, because that's really annoying and hindering communication, but I don't think you should be banned from the game just because you dare to say something in chat that others probably only think or say out loud in their room.