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jaymc1130·6/2/2017, 3:25:38 PM·10 votes·1,594 views

The status quo for gameplay posting is apparently starting to become so annoying that even gameplay regulars now feel the issue needs addressing.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/hfr7QBQY-this-board-needs-stricter-ruling-in-terms-of-what-kind-of-contents-allowed?show=flat&page=2

We really need to add this into the mix of stuff being discussed.

OK, talked with DTN about how to post less than stellar examples so that we remain tasteful about doing it, here are some less than quality type posts you might find in gameplay (and keep in mind that these are my personal opinions on how matters should change as all of these posts are allowed and within the current rules of Gameplay):

Title: "If you nerf it again...

Body: "You might as well not even have changed it."

Verdict: Single line title and tiny short body that's just a complaint and doesn't offer constructive thoughts on actual gameplay nor spurs discussion on the topic.

I've got some others that I'll be updating in as we go along and we get more of a demographic on other types of posts we know we think are more appropriate for a board like Misc, M&G, or GD.

Edit 2: Here's an example of a pure vote farm bait thread. Its sole purpose for being posted was to become the most viewed thread of the day. It succeeded massively. Pure troll effort.

(Um... is it naming and shaming myself technically even if I have no shame DTN?) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2zef7p4Q-junglers-if-you-ever-once-ever-utter-the-phrase-i-need-leash-no-leash-no-gank

Verdict: Totes posted in the exact right subsection, exactly, absolutely without any doubtses. No sarcaso bro.

30 Comments

Deep Terror Nami6/2/2017, 3:42:42 PM7 votes

Low-effort posting is already not allowed, and maybe that could be enforced more strictly, but discussions about gameplay go in Gameplay even if you are tired of hearing it. We've talked about a "Rant" board where people can make their low-effort and unconstructive venting posts about Yasuo or whatever, but the general consensus so far has been that it would be a nightmare to keep reigned in and ultimately not worth it. With the Gameplay Wardens coming in later this month you may see some changes (hopefully for the better).

If you see a post in Gameplay which you feel does not have enough content to have a discussion around, (aside from reporting it as Spam) try coaxing more information out of them about what exactly they feel the issue is. Everybody has a right to their own League post and shouldn't be forced to hide it in GD, nor be restricted simply because too many other people posted about it in the past.

Everybody should get a fair shot at having their content seen, and it shouldn't be up to a handful of regulars to decide that theirs is more important.

jaymc11306/2/2017, 4:12:57 PM4 votes

Some examples of bad threads that do not belong in gameplay as they violate rules or tenents of the gameplay subboard:

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Some threads that did it right:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/IHAkUpVd-so-reddit-is-flipping-their-collective-shit-over-galio

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AWM4EFki-games-are-being-decided-before-the-10-minute-mark-and-its-makin-me-sad

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AKeNRgLU-gangplank-barrel-ping

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GNg7b2o6-make-it-so-caitlyn-has-to-throw-her-traps-out

ModWuks6/4/2017, 11:32:04 AM2 votes

Alrighty, I've just caught up with the discussion- sorry for the late reply. I'm currently working on a separate project that'll benefit the Gameplay sub-board that I think you'll enjoy.

With regards to low-effort posting on Gameplay to garner upvotes and detract from other threads, it's a fine line that we have to walk. With every discussion that we remove, we have to go to the rules and point to a specific rule that it violates. From then on, each removal along those same lines potentially edges the line from a moderation intervention as a need-only basis to a moderation intervention on more subjective standards for each post. That might be something we can do in the future, but we'd have to be able to objectively define the line where we'd be able to differentiate between content that should be removed and content that shouldn't.

All in all, what I'm saying is that it's possible, but we're much too fresh to the moderation scene to be making such drastic changes to the policies of a sub-board that we've previously had no moderation abilities in. This is a topic that we'll continuously review, but for now, it's not something that I can see us doing in the near future. As always, I'll continue to post Boards updates in the "Let's Talk Boards" series. Thanks for your feedback, and I can completely empathize with the perception of the declining quality of posts in Gameplay. I'll keep an eye on the Gameplay sub-boards more and look to put forward any changes we can make to the team.

jaymc11306/2/2017, 5:39:25 PM1 votes

Edited and updated with an example of a vote bait thread.

Chønklord6/2/2017, 9:12:33 PM1 votes

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Troll for Trump6/3/2017, 12:37:36 AM1 votes

Everyone has their own standards, so it can't really be enforced.

And don't forget hypocritical double standards

Takazaki6/3/2017, 12:41:50 AM1 votes

I said this in my warden application (roughly) and i'll say it again here.

The content that needs to be removed is the clickbait upvote farms.

there is nothing wrong with having a bad opinion. but as you just stated yourself, posts that spur nothing but toxicity are the true problem with gameplay boards. Simply stating something without any incentive to create meaningful discussion is just as bad ranting/whining/clickbaiting.

Threads like

Title: lets talk about X champion

Body: I want to hear your guys thoughts about him/her/it in this current meta/patch/universe.

Short sweet to the point whilst also opening room for true discussion. There is nothing wrong with a short post, its the quality™ that matters.

On top of that Wardens/Mod need to also take preventive steps to stop the second biggest issue (imo) in Gameplay boards, redundant postings.

This could be fixed by a Warden starting a thread and sticking it for awhile.

Title: What should be done about X champion/item/playstyle

Body: Its very clear that X have been a central topic for the last Y amount of time. lets collect the collective thoughts of game play boards here.

Then supplement it by either Editing the posts with updates or creating gameplay events where gameplay posters can have a round table discussion ( other type of event ) and moving on from there to deliver quality discussion to the people who want it ( again which imo is what gameplay forums should be about).

jaymc11306/4/2017, 1:42:32 PM1 votes

I'll edit this example into the op when I get a chance later folks.

Title: "Player picks or plays x thing for first time"

Content: "No one should be allowed to first time a champion because then I might lose a match because I can't carry hard enough. So I'm gonna call out this player from my last game and act childish and surly in direct violation of the board rules for naming and shaming because I want to qq about underperforming teammates and demand bans for players who are lacking in skill."

Verdict: This type of thread doesn't belong anywhere on the boards, ever, under any circumstances as it's purely a negative contribution and call out thread. Absolutely doesn't belong in gameplay, and really not on any other subboard either.

TouchpadExpert6/2/2017, 4:08:21 PM1 votes

If someone complains in gameplay they should be required to post a solution to their complaint. The whole "nerf X champ" and "Buff X champ" threads are so inter-changable and pointless that people just bandwagon one another.

I remember 2 years ago making this mock thread where I said to nerf Xerath. I gave no basis behind the complaint I just said in the description "And nerf him now!" For the record I had no qualms about Xerath, in fact my true opinion was that he needed buffs and that he was very weak and was posting this to see how stupid the people in gameplay were. I was just shitposting in a half hearted attempt to get upvotes... and I got them. In double digits. It was as low quality as one can make and I told my friends about it and they literally copy-pasted my thread and changed Xerath into some other champion. And they got upvotes too, until the forum got overloaded with the same threads and someone caught on and flagged a few of them. But it took us making a dozen and a half of these stupid pointless threads before anyone caught on and realized we were trolling. There's no substance to what is getting written on there so we need some guidelines that state that a thread needs to have more than just an opinion to it, but factual proof why your suggestion should be considered.

Edit: It was actually Sejuani I was posting about. I think one of my buddies posted about Xerath.

AlsoJinxBot6/2/2017, 5:06:03 PM1 votes

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The status quo for gameplay posting is apparently starting to become so annoying that even gameplay regulars now feel the issue needs addressing.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/hfr7QBQY-this-board-needs-stricter-ruling-in-terms-of-what-kind-of-contents-allowed?show=flat&amp;amp;page=2

We really need to add this into the mix of stuff being discussed.

I really don't see the point in providing examples, generalizations will do just fine. If you truly believe that other gameplay regulars are noticing and becoming annoyed with this, simply checking the Gameplay boards should give anyone enough examples of the issues your having. If the Gameplay sub-board really is riddled with bad quality posts, it should be very apparent to anyone viewing the posts.