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There Can Be No Glory Without Honor

ModUlanopo·11/17/2018, 1:17:53 AM·26 votes·12,766 views
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At the end of every season, we see the same arguments about how punishing people with loss of season rewards if they're below Honor 2 at that time is unfair considering that people who get punished earlier in the season have an opportunity to work their way back into good standing. It's gotten so bad that Riot is making a one-time change to how this is handled.

I would argue that's still unfair, especially when you consider that end-of-season and the period between seasons tend to be really chaotic and tense. You're asking people to be on significantly better than average behavior at the time when it's most difficult to keep your cool. Add in the stress of this one-time deal and things are going to be rough.

My solution would be that you earn whatever rewards you're entitled to at the end of season, but you can't wear any of that flair at ANY TIME you're below Honor 2. I feel this would be an excellent incentive for improvement and would feel more even-handed than the current system. In fact, having a ceremony where you regain all that content would probably feel amazing.

EDITED FOR CLARITY: Under my proposal, you would "lose" all ranked rewards for all seasons whenever you dipped below Honor 2. You would probably gain a quest to get to Honor 2 and regaining that content would be the reward. This would be a relatively easy thing to add to the client, at least in my opinion.

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KFCeytron11/17/2018, 6:28:01 AM2 votes

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significantly better than average behavior

Behavior that avoids a ban is actually firmly average. Penalties are the exception, not the rule.

Moving the goalposts reduces clarity and consistency. If Riot now believes that the punishment system was too harsh, they can improve the rules for next season. There was no need to make a mockery of this season's rules just to accommodate people who tripped at the finish line (because they were busy flipping someone the bird).

The Ecdysiast11/17/2018, 1:37:48 AM2 votes

I said it in another comment, but I think 2 is too low. I agree to let them have the rewards they got by being the kind of team players who are cooperative and efficient-- the aspects that earn you those rewards-- but lock it out until they reach honor 4. Then they'd have to go pretty much a whole season without getting to use it.

yamacchi11/17/2018, 1:50:02 AM2 votes

My solution would be that you earn whatever rewards you're entitled to at the end of season, but you can't wear any of that flair unless you're at least Honor 2.

This is fucking brilliant. It encourages players to strife into reforming when they get their end of season rewards. I always felt that "You're never getting them if you're considered a bad sport" was a bit over the top.

+1

Modi11/17/2018, 3:06:38 AM2 votes

I would also add that if you ever are punished for game play related punishments (inting, boosting, scripting, and the like), that you still lose the opportunity to earn rewards for the rest of that season. I can agree that chat related behavior incidents could warrant a system described above, but game play misbehavior is reprehensible enough to warrant a much harsher punishment.

Many of the OPs I have seen in PB have asked for chat behavior punishments to be less-harsh. Also, many of the frequent posters I have seen disagree with much leniency, myself included. I feel this is a good approach toward a middle ground, where people who have hit near the top of the "punishment volcano" have a significant enough deterrent, but it is not a crippling burden.

With my addendum above, I feel it also keeps the significant punishment necessary as a deterrent for game play related punishments.

Thoughts?

mlm olo mlm11/17/2018, 5:12:33 AM2 votes

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Myrmiron11/18/2018, 10:06:23 AM1 votes

One the one hand I think this is an over all great idea, but on the other hand you're not really losing anything of value then when you become dishonorable, but then again bronze and silver players aren't really losing anything with the current system either and it feels kinda dumb that only the top 25% are really being punished for bad behaviour. So yeah I'm entirely in favor of this.

forist11/17/2018, 7:17:40 AM1 votes

Or, and hear me out on this one, riot could do away with this whole notion that honor should be tied to ranked rewards. Instead they could focus on providing honorable players with different rewards for being honorable. Hell, they could even introduce an honorable skin line for some of the more mild-mannered champions or something of that sort.

If the whole reasoning behind locking ranked rewards behind honor levels is to reduce toxicity, then what is the point of the punishment system and this new IFS? This thing really ramped up in punishment frequency this year, so why not let the punishment system of chat restrictions escalating into suspensions play out as it is designed to? Maybe instead of threatening players with the loss of rewards riot should be looking to give unique rewards to those who consistently display the most positive attitudes, because from what I've seen of this IFS, it is more than capable of punishing mild to extreme toxicity accordingly. Why pressure players that are already at risk of losing their accounts because of bad behavior, with even more restrictions and deadlines for displaying reform?

Anyways, that's just my 2 cents on this matter. Thoughts?

LetsGetHIvern11/17/2018, 7:50:01 AM1 votes

Boros Legion OP

Raid Boss Morde11/18/2018, 9:30:46 AM1 votes

I'm only here for the Assemble the Legion art. Love that card!

Silly Neeko11/17/2018, 1:27:00 AM1 votes

That could be a good idea, but im not sure that will really solve the issue that Riot was trying to fix by having the honor and ranked rewards in the first place.

I have a post suggesting something along a different line:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/5vRsEA8G-idea-for-chat-restriction-penalties-for-next-season?comment=0000000000010000000000000000

Though it could be on the wrong board or something... idk. But pretty much the suggestion is to lessen the honor drop for chat restrictions. More details are in the post.