Kempyrean Pirate
Gives me a time ban for saying "You know how I know you're silver?" Claiming I am ELO shaming someone. My question is: How does saying that someone who is currently ranked silver, is ranked silver, equal ELO shaming?
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This is a case of context. A player was complaining about Soraka being too powerful, to which you responded with "You know how I know you're silver?" There was no other contribution to the discussion, and there is a heavily implied "you have this opinion because you're only Silver, and are wrong" when you don't add any additional context.
Had you added anything constructive to the discussion we might not be having this comment, but the only purpose that comment could have served would have been to indicate that that opinion is only held because a player is that rank, rather than that the opinion has any merit on its own .
I'll move the convo here since you made a post about it, if that's okay. I'll post your quote below from the other thread:
So what exactly was disrespectful about what I said? I would LOVE for you to explain that. Calling an apple an apple is not disrespectful unless you look down upon apples for some reason. I think you are applying your personal bias against silver players to what i said, and not accepting it at face value, instead injecting your clearly derogatory opinons of silver players into my statement, because YOU see them that way.
It's not really about how I see comments, one way or the other. It's about what the rules say and how the community feels about comments. As I said, if you want to sound respectful talking about rank, it's kind of on you to make sure your tone is correct.
That particular phrase, "you know how I know you're..." is something that I have only ever seen in a negative context. I've never seen someone say "you know how I know you're so nice?" or "you know how I know you're pretty?" It's always "you know how I know you're stupid?"
That's why it was removed. Instead of making a clear attempt to advance the conversation, you opened with a phrase that pointed out their rank in a negative way. It's true that my interpretation was that it was negative, but it's not because I view being silver as an insult. It's because I believe other players view it as an attack, and many of the posters here have expressed concern about letting that sort of behavior go on.
Normally, that would have been a removal with a soft warning; I completely agree that, by itself, this was not worthy of a ban. It's your history that made me think that a light ban was needed.
Funny how you can look this up, but can't look up the posts about kempyrean pirate. Anyway, the only reason there was no further discussion about this was because Kempy banned my forum account within 1 minute of that post and it was deleted. I had plenty of constructive things to add to the discussion but kempy prevented me from doing so by banning my account for saying that someone is silver.
So what you are saying is that telling someone they are silver is not constructive and heavily implies that they do not know what they are talking about. In that case, I am wondering when riot will be revamping the Ranked tier system since you guys elo shame every silver player that logs in to the game if this is seriously the argument you are going to use.
Lets not beat around the bush Kempy, the phrase itself comes from a positive place. It would not exsist otherwise. Try another argument.
If you had said "the real counter for Soraka at higher elos is actually [blah blah blah]. Have you tried that and seen if it works for you?"
Yeah, no. I'm not going to censor myself because you can't understand the context of things I say and have a much smaller viewpoint on the world. How about instead you stop acting like you know what people intended, and instead moderate what they actually say?