Would you be opposed to a rule only allowing civil discussions?
How aggressively or passively should we enforce this rule:
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I feel like it could be a good idea but it would mean a bunch of extra work for the staff and it's kind of subjective as to what civil means, some people may view it as too strict.
Ultimately I think it could work if it weren't enforced too heavily. Essentially just cutting down on troll posts and negative responses to make the Boards a cleaner/more inviting place could be a great idea.
Enforcing this rule more strictly would encourage people to participate in bad faith (ex: Argue literally every point nomatter what) to illicit reactions out of people.
I want old Wild west GD where everything goes. But since the glory days are gone and sjws rule everything.
Uggg.
I guess as long as both sides are showing actual proof instead of a "nah your wrong stfu" then lightly enforce it. Once the "nah your wrong stfu" starts shut it down.
I think for threads (the main topic) should be kept respectful, but, personally, I like a little bit of fire in the comments. Of course, once comments go from heated discussion to insults, there needs to be intervention.
Now, realistically I think this thread is a bit reactionary to the state of posts that reach the front of the boards from Gameplay. Again, I refer to the idea of threads (the main topic) should be kept respectful.
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If your thread is basically, "omg X so broken, fire balance team" then your thread should be removed.
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If your thread is a critical discussion, uses real statistics, stays in a mostly logically based manner, and comes to the conclusion based on the argument presented that the balance team should be fired/removed, then it should stay.
These are generalizations, but you get the idea.
Do you really want to try and enforce that?
Sounds pretty Nazi when it comes to the amount of modding required.
How does one tell by words on a screen if two people are having a great conversation versus a heated argument?
Asking whether Boards users should be expected to behave civilly? Is that a rhetorical question, a meme, an insult, or satire? Too many levels on this one.
You do whatever you want anyways.
Good idea but a big no. Some mods already are borderline restrictive (aka deleting threads/posts for the use of a "bad" word that doesn't even get censored ingame). We don't need to hand those mods another tool to push their agenda.
Please enforce it more aggressively, especially on original posts. Deny the trolls their echo chambers.
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Yes please make the boards as sterile as a hospital, I hate fun anyways. O wait you're actually already doing that.
I think this could have potential to work.
I mean, when you come on the boards to have a discussion or to rant or even to just participate, the last thing you want is just to be told your opinion sucks or that you suck or are bad at the game. 99% of the time these statements are around they don't promote discussion.
However, I do think the rule could be abused by moderation. The statement "Be mindful of how you present your point of view" is very hard for some users. I, for one, am generally unaware of how my tone comes across, especially over text. While the text can say "I think you should practice a bit more" and I can mean it in the nicest possible way, if the reader sees it and is in a bad mood, they might take it as "You're bad and you should feel bad." This is an extreme example of course, but I feel like that kind of thing can potentially go wrong, especially when most of the posts are as passionate as they are on the boards.
I feel like it could work if this is kept in mind. Maybe enforce it as "beyond a reasonable doubt" kind of situation where it's blatantly obvious they're not trying to have a discussion or they're just trying to be mean.
The Overwatch forums did this kind of thing. It was extremely annoying as their policy banned/suspended users for minor things (like cursing or being to aggressive with your word choice). I, for one, got banned from that forum for using acronyms and saying that someone shouldn't be a dick as well as posting my thoughts about the Mercy skin that was $15. It was not a good place to have any discussion with passion and that's something we should try to avoid here.
Uh, I thought this was already a rule?
I support this direction we need more things like this.
Our community has so much potential.
Unless Riot started paying you all, passively.
Lets be honest, a lot of posts that should be removed for low effort go unreported. Alternatively, debates get reported by people who disagree and find 1 thing that might be questionable for inclusion. I probably have a recent one with the "flame for being e-girl" post as I saw a few people trying to use my response as a "lack of moderating" and "over moderating" at the same time.
So unless there is a better way to comb through reports and makw tweaks/corrections; I don't think it is worth the extra stress I think it will cause you all.
I know you all are getting new mods, but unless you implement a report weight of sorts, I don't think it would be enough.
I would only support enforcing this if a rule was formed and enforced which prohibited players from making arguments that are so illogical or blatantly incorrect that they're a mockery of the boards.
In all seriousness, as I know the moderators are not going to start enforcing legitimate debate on the boards (too much work, not enough people, they're too scared of backlash, whatever), no, this rule should not be enforced. Sometimes the only way to get through to someone being an idiot is to flat out be slightly uncivil to them. If you start enforcing "civility", you'll simply end up with less players getting punishments explained on the boards, less actual discussion about gameplay, etc. because people won't be able to tell people what a logical farce their posts are (oh no that's uncivil booo).
You'll claim this won't happen, but I've seen it happen already with players' posts getting removed for being "rude" or "don't be a jerk" simply for pointing out how illogical people are being.
Bring it. We’re summoners, after all, and should act with dignity befitting our station.
Its easy for people to get too heated when arguing about a case where both sides feel that their perspective is obviously the right one.
And the boards then to be flooded with posts like "X is too OP&balance team %%%%%%ed" or "Y is toxic AF to play against %%%%%% design" with no context or examples and these posts generally dont add anything more just acting like echo chambers for negativity and a lack of constructive criticism.
Perhaps the boards does need a bit of aggressive moderation (as extremely weird as that sounds) to let people who invest effort into making good posts with proper arguments/examples/statistics be noticed.
In theory, sure it's a good rule, but as a few have said, it would only work well if it's loosely enforced or else it becomes too overbearing and conversations become contrived and people either try to get reactions out of others or they don't state their unpopular opinions in fear of starting an argument.
It's natural for people to get riled and have passionate arguments. So long as they don't go too far, I don't see a problem with people arguing in that manner.
How aggressively or passively should we enforce this rule:
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while i understand the purpose of this it ultimately is not only redundant for being in line with 'don't be a jerk' but is also fairly restrictive by its nature of being more explicit.
plus a lot of us like to banter sometimes, I mean how can i resist when someone is legitimately calling for nerfs on like.. nunu or something
Anyways maybe we could have a 'war room' sub board where people are allowed to be significantly ruder so long as they don't h8speech or like threaten
If you are willing to enforce it in the comments too, then it would be fine. But if you can't then there wouldn't be much point. Can't count the times I've tried to make a thoughtful civil post only for it to get derailed in the comments >.>
Aggressively enforce it? idk... if it results in you removing everyone screaming about "sjws ruining everything" that would be great but if it doesn't involve that its not actually an improvement because oh, now i have to be more civil with poopbrains.