What's really the point of upvotes?

Cowseed·5/22/2017, 2:14:21 AM·11 votes·958 views

I mean. What do they really mean. And do downvotes actually have any meaning anymore.

I just had this argument with this dude in silver. During the conclusion (if you can call it that) he started calling me out by my rank and rank winrate. This I can understand why someone would do this as they would try to dishearten someone they are in an argument with but what I could not understand is why he was downvoting me. I never understood why people would downvote someone who they are talking to. Does it gives them a sense of credibility?

Ironically this dude had top comment in the thread. Don't really care about downvotes myself so I just upvoted his comments and downvoted mine. Thought I would feel, IDK, satisfied or something but I didn't. I didn't feel anything. When I do this I don't really feel like I do when I downvote someone who downvotes me. When I do downvote someone as a returning favour the only thing I really feel is slight anger because the argument has deteriorated to that state and that the person is looking more at the number than my score and I've lowered myself to that level.

But seriously what do downvotes even mean anymore? Does it mean 'you didn't comply', 'your wrong', 'no' or does it just mean 'I don't like you'? I'm curious as to the psychology you think is behind this. I don't think I'll be downvoting anything anymore. It just makes me feel like a waste.

28 Comments

Melledoneus5/22/2017, 3:37:22 AM3 votes

Upvotes are supplemental to one's ego. Having more upvotes feels like you are correct and more powerful in a sense.

As for memers and Board-lurkers such as myself, upvotes are a source of nourishment.

SecondChanceHero5/22/2017, 2:01:17 PM2 votes

Upvotes are an effective counter/tracker of how many funny comments a poster has made. Downvotes are an effective counter/tracker for how popular a board user is and how many haters they have now accrued.

The only thing at all that votes have been used for, or good for, for the last 5 years is to display information relating to general poster popularity and nothing else. They are only good as a popularity contest and nothing else. If y'all like high school stuff, then keep it, if we'd prefer a little more maturity then start limiting their use to appropriate popularity contests (who wins the fan art contest? Etc).

Sarchiapon5/22/2017, 2:02:33 PM2 votes

Upvotes are like democracy. It never works and probably never will, but it's good to make people believe it does.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5/22/2017, 2:26:44 AM2 votes

most of the time its a way to be toxic and people will downvote just cuz they dont like the person who makes the comment regardless of the content or context of the comment

KVbqbFsC8e5/22/2017, 2:26:47 AM2 votes

Well theoretically it could let people know what is true, well written and thought out, greatly explained, helpful... you get the idea. Of course in reality though its just a measure of how popular something is.

awesomer1115/22/2017, 2:23:32 AM1 votes

I mean, take for example, when rito took grave's cigar away. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/QU1FzRg5-graves-cigar-got-removed This is what upvote/downvoting should look like. You downvote when they say something really wrong but you're either too lazy to comment or just want to make a point after you comment. Upvoting comes when you make a good point and again, other people are too lazy to comment or they upvote to make a point. I am 90% sure that everybody that commented on the first comment either upvoted it or downvoted it.

Now, though, the boards have come to what you've described, I guess.

RookPusher6/8/2017, 4:04:20 PM1 votes

Downvoting should be removed. But the point of an upvote is to save us from "yeah, this" posts all day.

Downvoting is for when someone suggests doing something you don't like/think is stupid, for posting with a name you don't like, for when you didn't like a previous post of theirs, when someone suggests something good but it would nerf your main so eff them, for when you thought it would be funny but the crit from the wall of text killed your second born child, for when someone asks a question you think they should have googled, or when the post is about Teemo.

Marshbouy5/22/2017, 2:38:58 AM1 votes

Most of the time it's just "your opinion doesn't mesh well with mine so i'm just going to spam downvotes because reasons" I think they are pretty pointless at this point.

Friendly Ram5/22/2017, 3:58:29 AM1 votes

Downvotes= thread is bashing/ harassment/ general rudeness. if it's an attempt or concept i give an upvote just for being able to put themselves out there.

EvilMerodach5/22/2017, 2:34:56 PM1 votes

For the most part, my downvotes are for posts that I took the time to read, then realized I just wasted my time reading that/it had no useful information in it. Downvote= less likely to show up on top of page/top of discussion view=save someone else from having to waste time reading worthless shitpost. Upvote if it was amusing or informative, or would think it would be informative to others.

Teridax686/8/2017, 4:00:46 PM1 votes

From what I understand, the original intent behind the upvote system was that people would upvote well-constructed and useful arguments or discussions, and downvote posts that didn't contribute. However, the option very quickly degenerated into a like/dislike button. Technically, the incentive to exert self-discipline is a healthier environment, but really, the much more immediate reward for voting as you please is that posts you like get popular, and posts you don't get buried. This is why the Boards have their own "meta" for what gets upvoted and downvoted, and why the popularity of posts often doesn't reflect their quality.

One of the biggest issues with this kind of system right now is that abusing it has no repercussions: whereas in League, a player loses their credibility if they abuse the report system, on here a downvote will always be a downvote. Conversely, threads very explicitly designed to generate upvotes are not only fully rewarded via upvotes, but also left to thrive completely unimpeded, which means those who make them have no reason not to do it again and again. A potential answer to this could be to enforce much stricter moderation, and have individual threads and players be excluded from this system when they turn out to be abusive, but that's a whole can of worms in itself, not just because it would risk angering a lot of players, but also because it would require far more moderator resources than are available.

Because of this, what I think needs to change is the upvote system itself: as it stands, its intent is to promote a thread's visibility among others for the quality of discussion it generates, but its effect in actuality is to function as a point system, where everyone wants to have as much of them as possible, no matter the means of attaining them. Visibility on the Boards is relative to the other threads being made alongside it, but a point system is absolute, as upvotes are registered forever, so even if popular threads that do not generate enough upvotes fall out of visibility over time, by that point the damage has already been done. Effectively, the upvote system is not only inherently prone to abuse, it's simply not an efficient manner of making threads stand out when needed.

I think the solution should be to come up with an alternative system, one that would rely on promoting thread visibility at the specific time and date of the thread being viewed by the player, relative to other threads on the main page. For example, if players each day had a limit of threads and comments they could promote to the top (let's say 3), and also had a report option for low-quality threads whose usage would be tracked and moderated, not only would they likely be more careful about the threads they'd promote, but low-effort threads and comments would also be more harshly dealt with, so the Boards as a whole could be better curated. This is perhaps not how such a system would turn out in practice, but I do think the core tenets behind it need to be applied in order for any voting system here to work.