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Why is the truth considerd toxic and reportable

HumperOfDogz·5/21/2018, 7:56:11 AM·3 votes·1,467 views

Why is it that if you dont tell your team they are perfect and can never do anything wrong you are considered toxic and then reported for it. When you try to work together as a team give them advice tell them what they are doing isnt working that they are throwing a game with 0 swearing 0 name calling you are toxic. that you can be reported just because people dont agree, that you can be sworn at called names yelled at and still be reported for toxic because in the middle of it all you pointed out the mistakes they made that cost a game considered toxic. I have been reported for chat bans a few times some i see why because i admit i can get annoyed and swear maybe a little to much but i do try to not swear untill i have been sworn at or yelled at and non of it has been for just straight trolling and ruining of a game. it has been because im old and its just part of the language i grew up on that i threw a random unneeded swear before a word. but alot of the chat restriction have 0 swears in it. its from people who wont listen to pings or call outs but then rage at someone because they couldnt read thier mind. from asking for help when losing a lane ( never understood how asking for help was toxic) and never getting it. or just telling people to stop running solo and play together as a team. So if i can tell you to group up with the team that we need you to stop running solo because all you are doing is dien alone and throwing a game that your way of trying to win isnt working that you need to grow up and listen to others who may have a better game plan while you are sitten there swearing calling everyone names and going full rage mode and you are able to report me for being toxic and i then get that chat restriction then i hate to see how most of the people who report people for being toxic act in real life. well that ends this rant . if this was in a game i would probably be reported for being toxic lol.

6 Comments

Jamaree5/21/2018, 8:12:12 AM8 votes

There is the truth and being a dick.

If you say "Hey, we need to play safe." or "Can you stay with me." you aren't going to be punished, you aren't.

However, when you say thing like "Holy shit, fuck wit, stop being stupid and stay back." or "Group with the only one doing well you retards." yeah...yeah.

YOU SO BAD5/21/2018, 7:58:28 AM3 votes

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ModPrandine5/21/2018, 4:51:25 PM3 votes

You say you were trying to offer criticism and that you shouldn't be punished for doing so, but it all depends on how you deliver your criticism. People are generally more willing to listen to criticism when it's given in a mature and respectful manner and not filled with insults, raging and harassment. From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

I don't think that I should be punished for trying to give advice.

If you have been hit with a punishment, that likely means that you are being negative in your “advice” towards others. As an example, “stop feeding” is not good advice. The negative connotation around “feeding” in this game makes you seem hostile and accusatory, and will likely cause more problems than it solves. On top of that, you’re not actually giving advice, you’re only telling them what not to do rather than HOW they can stop feeding. Better advice would be to “hug your turret and wait for a gank” or “help bot snowball, I’ll be fine once we get to late game.”

Even if you are being positive or neutral with your advice, it is likely to be misconstrued as negative for a whole host of reasons:

  • While in a Ranked game, we are likely more stressed than normal, which makes us more likely to lash out at someone, even if they are trying to genuinely help
  • We often associate our teammates with raging idiots rather than people genuinely trying to help us.
  • Text has no tone of voice, so because of the above, it can easily be misconstrued (we all have our stories of that time it happened to us, even between friends and family).
  • You are at the same elo, and as a result at about the same skill level, as your allies, and are therefore not in a position to give advice to them.
  • You don’t know the mentality of the one with whom you’re giving advice to.

I want to talk about the final point especially, as there can be any number of things going on behind the screen that you don’t know about. They could be tired, or drunk, and therefore playing more sluggishly. They could be actual trolls, and don’t care what you have to say. They could already know what they’re doing, but for whatever reason (going on tilt, tunnel vision, etc), forget to act on that knowledge or experience. Or they could be genuinely unsure as to what to do. In all but the last one, they are going to be less than willing to accept anything that you say to them. Even if someone means well when they tell me how to improve in the game, I often already know what they’re trying to say, and am already beating myself up over it. Telling me what I’m doing wrong and how to improve merely irritates me even more, makes me more self-aware, and then mess up more as a result of over-thinking something.

If you are still determined to help others, then I strongly recommend that you only do so when they explicitly ask for feedback, in order to minimize your helping words to fall on deaf ears. I also recommend that you maintain a neutral or positive tone. Say what they did right before you say what they did wrong, and they’ll be more willing to listen to you, as you will come across as a more balanced individual who can recognize the strengths in others as well as the weaknesses. Also refrain from doing so while in-game, in order to minimize the impact there. There is nothing inherently wrong with giving feedback to others, but, unfortunately, you do so at your own risk.

Contributed by themaddscientist (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=48975593#post48975593))

Silly Neeko5/21/2018, 8:42:09 AM2 votes

Your name doesnt help anything. Plus chat logs. Dont try to bring up something that is inevitably going to lead to nothing and nowhere except your sad attempt at stiring up the few believers of "everything i say will be punishable unless im a perfect little angel".

You need to post chat logs if you want any credability.

Crett5/21/2018, 8:52:19 AM1 votes

if you decide to spend time criticizing your teammates, which puts them in a defensive position, they will almost invariably tilt, and you will have wasted precious time typing, and more often than not they will respond with hostility, because yeah sportsmanship’s kinda rare out here.

along with creating poor rapport and bad vibes with your team, you decrease your chance of winning no matter how good the advice you offer is. from a logical standpoint, it’s poor strategy in most situations

when in doubt, just stay in your own lane verbally.

you cant fix your teammates in one game, just adapt to them.

most people want to learn by playing the game, not from teams that are unhappy with their gameplay. its just how it is. if they want advice, theyll ask

reliable teammates are not a constant and working around that fact is part of mastery