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iNocturne·11/17/2018, 6:55:20 PM·2 votes·1,740 views

Riot needs to see this because we are sick of waiting.

A little about me: Started playing MOBA games before 3 years in a Game called Paragon, i was in PLat there and learned many tactics and how to play the game properly but in the end its a team based game. the community was million times better than LoL's. The toxicity and Trolling in this game is causing me blood pressure..

please don't judge me until you read everything and understand my point.

Here is the thing.. Punishing system SUCKS in this game, yeah we all ahte trolls afk'ers and toxic people. I got pema banned from my first account for toxicity, you will be saying "Serves you right" but No i'm just one of many people who was mistakenly chosen to be perma banned instead of the real culprits.

LoL's banning system punishes toxic people more than Afk'ers and trolls, and when i complained to them about it they said "Its not fair to punish afk'ers with ban because someone might need to go off at some point for an urgent matter or something, and for trolls we try our best to punish them" well you are not doing your best, toxic people gets punished harshly more than the others, you treat them like real criminals! "Once you are perma banned there is no going back" what kind of game does that ? my money and effort was gone becasue I got toxic at trolls and afk'ers ? Riot said "toxicity ruins the experience for players" REALLY !?!?!? thats a reason to perma ban them and never give them their money or the time they spent on your game ?!?! but wait a sec, trolls ruins the game more than toxic people ? afk'ers make the match 4v5 3v5 2v5 1v5 instead of 5v5 how is that not ruining the game for everyone ? toxic people gets toxic because of trolls, and afk'ers, dont get me wrong toxicity is bad but it happens for a reason ! instead of punishing the toxicity why not look at what caused it ? if you are being all "fair" as you say Riot you should look into the toxicity and what caused it, trolls ? punish them. afk'ers ? punihs them. but don't ban toxic people automatically without even looking at the matter and be actually FAIR to everyone. the truth is guys, toxic people are more serious about the game than trolls and afk'ers that's a fact no one will get angry at something they are not serious about right ??

And what's with "not saying the punishment and the person who was punished to protect their privacy" BS ? you should expose them. make the world know what they did, make everyone see the consequences that happened to them for trolling, afk'ing or even being toxic for no reason. make everyone fear not to fall for what they fell in. If you are treating toxic people like real criminals and banning them FOR LIFE and not expose the others we always report with anger and hoping you would do something to them, is stupid. i need to know what you did to the ones i reported, what punishment they got. if you won't tell then you know that we will complain about your punishment for them for knowing that your punishments are not fair and need to be looked in and changed.

many people lost their money for getting angry at trolls and afk'ers, the funny thing is the trolls report toxic people and toxic people are the one's punished instead of them!! how stupid that sounds ? like a little brother who annoys his big brother until he snaps at him then the little bro runs crying to mommy and daddy and they punish the big brother???????? Does that sound fair to you !?!?!

please Riot unban those you perma banned, fix your punishing system, ask for help from the community, we'll give you ideas and suggestions you can discuss them with your devs and make it happen that way you make everyone happy you become fair for real.

18 Comments

ModThe Djinn11/17/2018, 6:59:26 PM8 votes

No i'm just one of many people who was mistakenly chosen to be perma banned instead of the real culprits.

I'll be honest -- I see this a lot and most of the time it's a player not realizing that their response is, in fact, problematic. If you have your logs I'd be happy to give you feedback on them.

And what's with "not saying the punishment and the person who was punished to protect their privacy" BS?

It prevents witch-hunting and mocking another player for their punishments, basically. I'm with you that the fact that your reports actually do do things isn't well conveyed, but I can't really support telling you exactly who and what got punished as a result of them. I'd rather see it as a numerical statistic somewhere.

Eleshakai11/17/2018, 7:08:47 PM3 votes

Alright so you seem to have a few gripes here... please feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted your grievances.

1) You feel that verbal toxicity is punished too harshly. In this all I can say is that Riot, myself, and a large portion of the community disagree. There is no excuse for treating people like crap, and if you do it, you deserve to receive an escalating punishment that eventually leads to loss of your account. If you use hate speech, or other zero tolerance words, then most of the community wants you gone NOW not later unless you stop.

2) You feel that 'gameplay toxicity' isn't punished harshly enough Considering punishments for trolling prettymuch start at 2 week bans, once the system has detected the pattern of behaviour, I disagree with this assertion. Additionally, leaverbuster starts punishments(warning phase) at your very first time leaving a game, with escalating punishments occurring after that. So I disagree again here, I don't feel the punishment system is too lenient on that.

3) You feel that 'gameplay toxicity' takes too long to be detected. With this point, I feel like most would agree, even Riot themselves. However, it's not that simple. It's difficult, without manually watching every game, to detect the difference between 'oh crap, I died early twice and then their jungler took control of the game and ganked me every thirty seconds under tower, and I couldn't even get any farm because of it'. Or, between 'I'm a jungler who focuses on farming to a certain point before being effective' vs 'I'm pissed off at my team so I'm just going to afk farm the jungle until we lose'.

It isn't easy, and the system does its best, but it is far from ideal. Everyone agrees. However, I feel like Riot is erring on the side of caution because they don't want to wrongfully ban people for simply having a bad game. Additionally, I suspect that Riot doesn't think "My mom just died so I went to play some League, started losing, got flamed by my team and lost my temper, so I fed and then ragequit" should get someone banned, so they wait to see if the behaviour is indicative of a pattern rather than just a one-off occurrence.

4) You feel that verbal toxicity should be considered acceptable if it was prompted by someone else's toxicity. I feel like this sets an awful precedent. If we start forgiving peoples' verbal toxicity "Because there was a troll in my game", how far do we set the line? "Well, I fed because my mid-laner kept calling me an a-hole" and "I called him an a-hole because he was feeding" - welp, I guess nobody's punished because they're both caused by each others' toxicity.

Additionally, one person misbehaving shouldn't give you a carte blanche to misbehave yourself. I feel like there're a few reasons for this... first of all, there are three people on your team who are NOT the troll who are just trying to do their best to enjoy the game. You getting into a flamewar with him just makes their day even worse. Secondly, people should be able to exercise self control when they're at leisure. I don't feel that's unreasonable. Thirdly, the ACTION itself is punishable. So regardless of your reason for performing that action, it's still punishable. Rob a bank to feed your starving family, and you can bet you're still going to jail.

Edit:

5) You feel Riot shouldn't protect peoples' privacy.

They may not have a choice in that. There are laws in most places that protect peoples' privacy, and discussing status of customer accounts without permission can fall on the wrong side of that in many cases.

Projectile Vomit11/17/2018, 7:41:33 PM3 votes

And what's with "not saying the punishment and the person who was punished to protect their privacy" BS ? you should expose them. make the world know what they did

What is wrong with you? We are talking about a Video Game, Relax.

instead of punishing the toxicity why not look at what caused it ?

It doesn't matter what "caused it", if you decide to flame because of somebody does something you don't like, That's on you.

my money and effort was gone becasue I got toxic at trolls and afk'ers ?

Your money and effort is gone because you decided to flame, not because somebody else did something.

I'm starting to see a pattern here, It's always "someone else", You refuse to take responsibility for your actions, instead, you project them onto others.

Silly Neeko11/17/2018, 7:45:12 PM3 votes

There are many games that permaban and make it so you are unable to get anything back. Heck, even Runescape bans people and they cant get anything back.

You being TOXIC is different than you being UPSET. Toxicity is JUST as bad as trolls, because what you are doing there is trying to flame and upset other people into not playing the game generally. "Youre bad, uninstall" "kys", etc. This is not the player choosing if they are trolling or not, people do this even when someone is just being outplayed or camped and unable to do much.

Legitimate trolls do get punished too, obviously. If you do not feel like a LEGITIMATE troll will be punished simply from a report, you can also send in a ticket with info like "in this game where i was X champ and game length was X time, there was a player playing X champion that was trolling and following people around just to annoy them and irritate them and saying X things to annoy them."

They will say "we can not gaurentee punishment is going to be put onto them, however we will look into it, thank you for reporting it" or something along those lines, because that is what they are required to say. Generally though, there is a punishment that is given if they are ACTUALLY trolling. However some could just be having a bad day, like if they are 0/8 and being tower dived etc etc etc that you dont look at because you could care less, you just see their score and you blame them.

Nothing good comes from.being toxic. It doesnt make you feel better. So just dont do it. You wont get punished.

TaNkerTANGO11/18/2018, 10:12:42 AM1 votes

To be honest. It sounds to me too much as well. At the end of the day, you can block-ignore person during the game, who is toxic and you wont get upset by what he/she texts anymore.

I am calm player in general, but it happens when you are a bit pissed off. And it shocks that I can lose all the money and time I spent on this account just because, lets say, I allowed myself saying some more than I typically do. NVM to be honest, may be it wont happen to me cuz I wont do it repeatedly (may be author was doing it time after time), but permaban for that?

I dont like toxic players tho, but in lol we got chat bans for those kind of cases. As a punishment for toxic player, it could be just a week/month of a chat and mic ban. That would allow a player to chill and think. If that wont help, then 2 moths, 6 months, year - whatever?; may be even a month of ban playing lol, but perma ban? C`mon... Perma chat ban would make more sense.

What is the point of losing a player, who plays and pays. He/she will just go to other game forever in many cases. If I was permabanned, there is noway I would start a new account to pay more money and contribute so much time. Permaban for typing to me sounds, totally unfair, especially, if you invested money to the account.

iNocturne11/18/2018, 11:08:42 AM1 votes

Always getting downvoted because everyone thinks im blaming others for no reason and not taking responsibilities of my actions screw this community and Riot devs