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Rank shaming?

Ph03n1xb1rd··3 votes·3,053 views

Hi,

so i just would like to ask what is considered rank shaming, and why is this even a thing?

To shame somebody with something, that something has to be embarrassing/bad or whatever. Do you all consider bronze players inferior? Is being bronze embarrassing or bad? Are you ashamed of being a silver player? (If you are one.)

Why can't you use other players' ranks in a discussion. What is totally normal for a bronze player, can be considered trolling in gold. A good call in gold, sometimes can be a total suicide in master. Why is it not allowed to use it in a discussion, when bronze and challenger players are essentially playing a different game?

Ranks are a public information what everyone can access easily. Is it so bad that in a discussion, you save 2 clicks and write the rank of another player? If this is soo bad, why does Rito share this information with everybody? If this is not bad, why is it punished on Boards?

From what level is it considered rank "shaming"? If you call somebody a bronze, that's shaming? If you call it gold, is that shaming? If you call him challenger, that's acceptable? From what point do moderators think that a player is "good", so it's allowed to state his rank? Or will they delete my post if i call somebody a challenger?

This whole thing is very undefined, and biased. Basically moderators do whatever they want in a case like this with no rules or guidances?

Thanks for the clarification in advance!

23 Comments

DrCyanide5 votes

Why can't you use other players' ranks in a discussion.

You can, you just have to use it in a discussion rather than as a way of shutting down a discussion. "That may work for you in Bronze/Silver/Gold, but when you hit Diamond your opponents know how to counter it with X" will never get you in trouble.

ModJikker5 votes

Knowing that this is in regards to your edit, the reason your comment was edited for Rank Shaming was because you said something along the lines of "P.S. You're Silver 4, disregarding you". In other words, you were saying that you no longer would consider their arguments valid because of their Rank. This also happened on a Player Behavior thread where rank really shouldn't matter very much if at all when discussing punishments. I did leave up the portion where you mentioned play in bronze/silver/gold versus diamond because that is more factual and okay as you are not discriminating or devaluing a person's opinion based on their rank.

To better clarify what is generally acceptable, here are some examples:

Acceptable

  • "You're Silver 5 so that's why you won't get a Victorious Skin"
  • "Zed may be strong in Silver, but at higher levels of play such as Diamond, he becomes much easier to counter"
  • "People in Bronze don't ward as much so you may not realize how much this vision change has impacted play"

Unacceptable/Rank Shaming

  • "Just saw you're bronze so I'm not gonna bother even trying to talk with you anymore"
  • "Lol you just mad cause you're a silver baddie"
  • "Look at all these Silvers trying to comment on this like they know how to play the game"
  • "I'm Plat, stfu you're a Gold V scrub"

Does that make sense?

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

If you quote it would be nice if you would quote correctly. I'm totally sure I did not use the "disregard" word, since I did not even know what it means. What I wrote, if I remember correctly: "Silver 4, no more questions."

He was arguing that randomly flashing and ulting in the middle of the nowhere is totally okay. I will not argue with a silver about it, since for him it's okay, for me it's not. It wasn't offensive, I just stated that he is simply unable to argue about this question.

And no, it doesn't make much sense, regarding what did you remove.

ModJikker2 votes

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If you quote it would be nice if you would quote correctly. I'm totally sure I did not use the "disregard" word, since I did not even know what it means. What I wrote, if I remember correctly: "Silver 4, no more questions."

He was arguing that randomly flashing and ulting in the middle of the nowhere is totally okay. I will not argue with a silver about it, since for him it's okay, for me it's not. It wasn't offensive, I just stated that he is simply unable to argue about this question.

And no, it doesn't make much sense, regarding what did you remove.

Unfortunately, when we edit, we don't have records kept so I can't state exactly what was said. However, even the "P.S. Silver 4, no more questions" mean you are ending the conversation because the poster is Silver 4. That's how it reads and that does fall under Rank Shaming. Your intentions are even stated in what you have said here -- "I will not argue with a silver about it".

What you said does directly fall under our definition of Rank Shaming. Again, I did leave the rest of your post where you correctly and factually used Rank to discuss something. Leaving off that final comment was all that had to be said. When discussing the way something is, it's best to use facts (which does include facts about specific ranks) and leave personal ranks out of it. If someone is not listening to your explanation, it is best to simply leave the debate. Sometimes people won't understand what you are saying no matter what you say and at that point, you've said all you can say and have to leave the conversation.

Oh, I forgot to address something else in your post (sorry!). Yes, rank of any sort can be used to shame. Often high elos are not shamed as much because most shaming is directed at "bad low elos", but comments such as "You're a no-lifer challenger, go get a life, I'm not gonna talk to some basement dweller" is 100% Rank Shaming and are also subject to removal.

sneakydoug3 votes

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Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

I have no idea what do you mean? I was platinum, and i didn't understand it either.... Should i go back there to understand it now? Did something change in plat in the last few months? O.o

giannishannibal1 votes

Its the community basically. If you are X rank but in the game or you game knowledge is lower or lacking for the division then your teamates or fellows in the boards start bitching like:

Wow how you got to X rank omg you are so noob. I defeat/kill a X player. So noob. Definately boosted account. I deserve X rank more than you. Ima playing better than you You dont know a thing about the game./ Dont give advice you are lowe div than me etc Omg you are level 200 but you are in hardstuck gold omg noob

More like thats the idea But the issue is not always can perform like god in every game, not always can perform great on 140 champions, in order to climb its isnt mandatory to know to have excelent farming like 12 cs/min and have perfect micro and marco plays or dont make a single mistake vs a lower rank player or the you can say a good idea but a change like how to change jungle to be viable again but still be a lower rank player. But for some reason they are many in the lol community that dont concider it and they bash others and the toxicity hit red. SO in order not start a flame war in the boards Moderators just straight ban or delete these comments in order to reduce the toxicity of a super toxic community -in the boards at least.

sneakydoug1 votes

I was being coy.

Dr Dog3 votes

i wouldnt consider it shaming if its actually constructive to what the argument is about and not used to mock them as opposed to "your bronze lmao"

Butterwood2 votes

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i wouldnt consider it shaming if its actually constructive to what the argument is about and not used to mock them as opposed to "your bronze lmao"

The problem is that this is 99% of anyone talking about anyone else's rank. I'm low silver / high bronze ELO and can't really post an opinion on gameplay without someone saying "lol okay bronzie" or something along those lines. Hell, people in my games that are the same ELO somehow still find reason to ELO shame. Nerds.

Better Jungler2 votes

Yeah.. I've had posts removed for just mentioning someones rank when talking about balance.

something along the lines of. "In your elo (bronze 3) alot of things are broken that aren't broken in higher elos, so they cant really balance around you guys."

It wasn't an insult.. it was just a point of conversation lol, I op.gg'd his account when he said Yi was broken or something. can't remember now. its been a while.

Overall just best to leave rank out of it unfortunately.

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

I hate the rule so much, there is zero reason for us to shame others when basically everyone starts from bronze-gold when they first got into league.

Yet for whatever reason mods go "I see low rank, me delete message!" when we aren't even using said rank to shame people, but for explaining how the game works in x elo and why.

Better Jungler2 votes

Not all of the mods. Most are pretty good.

theres just a few that are a bit ... over the top.

ulanopo and knights...something have been really bad lately about removing stuff that's not worthy of being removed lol.

Just the Lip1 votes

Ive already tried to debate what constitutes "rank shaming"

And it did not go anywhere, literally just dont mention someones rank unless they are diamond+ or they might remove your post due to "rank shaming"

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

So the moderators think that below Diamond ranks are shameful? O.o

I have literally no idea how it works xD

charge attack6 votes

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So the moderators think that below Diamond ranks are shameful? O.o

I have literally no idea how it works xD

Mods are stupid here. Don’t try to use your brain on boards it’ll only make you upset

Mr Elessar1 votes

inb4 "deleted by moderation"

Just the Lip1 votes

The whole situation is just absurd. I refrain from even stating someones rank anymore so i dont get reported for "harassment".

Noor Sakata1 votes

While I really hate rank shaming and the idea of it It feels bad when you are Platinum and a Bronze 2 player replies something to criticize me and I get down voted to hell while he gets upvoted even though I'm right and he's wrong

Butterwood2 votes

Do you have an example? Because it sounds like most people think he's right and you're wrong. I'm a silver player that knows a lot about team comps, mechanics, item builds, etc. but never end up climbing because I play too many damn champions and too often make awful in-game decisions. That doesn't mean all of your league opinions would trump mine, though.

Noor Sakata1 votes

Well , an example , the last one was when I defended Lux lol Saying she has the easiest counter play in the whole game and she isn't problem at all Literally any class in the game can build items to counter her

While he made a low effort reply " but she can abuse Dark Harvest " , while my whole reply was to how to counter her , but yeah

Butterwood1 votes

Every champion can be countered. I'm guessing it was a thread of people complaining about Lux? That same thread happens about 30+ champions daily, "so and so is broken" or "nerf blah blah blah". That has nothing to do with rank. People just enjoy complaining. Let people enjoy things.

Noor Sakata1 votes

well out of all champions , we are talking about Lux lol

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