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Downvotes and Disagreement

Voldymort·11/6/2018, 12:56:29 PM·17 votes·9,801 views

The universal rules of the boards state that:

"Upvotes and downvotes are intrinsically tied to how threads and comments are perceived. It’s easy to simply downvote something you disagree with, and upvote things that support your views. We can do better. Consider upvoting thoughtful discussions and comments, even if they disagree with your perception of things. The more valuable conversation we have on the boards and the more that conversation is recognized as a good contribution to the community, the better everyone’s board experience will be."

that's fine and dandy but i don't think it's realistic to expect most people to change how they define a downvote based on the boards personal prefference of it's definition.

for example, i'll always see "upvote/downvote" as "i agree/disagree with this" based on how people use them on twitter, reddit, youtube, etc. You guys are literally the only ones i've encountered who made up your own definition of what a downvote is or should be used for!

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edit: Personally, if a i deem a post not worth my time because it's uninteresting/unoriginal as far as topics go, i neither upvote, nor downvote it.** i ignore it!**

33 Comments

ModThe Djinn11/6/2018, 2:49:59 PM10 votes

That's fine and dandy but i don't think it's realistic to expect most people to change how they define a downvote based on the boards personal preference of it's definition.

We don't either. Notice how that's in a section about positive behaviors, not a section discussing what is actually against the rules, and also how it suggests to "consider" using votes this way, not that you "must" use votes this way. I see no problem with encouraging people to consider using upvotes as more than an "I agree / I disagree" button, especially when we've seen general disagreement bury a number of posts that actually have a lot of interesting conversation that could come out of them.

We in no way "police" upvoting, unless we see extreme signs of vote manipulation (a hate-filled rant suddenly getting 20+ votes in a few minutes, for example).

Warlord Rhinark11/6/2018, 1:07:28 PM7 votes

Mods think Upvotes/Downvotes are just a tool for filtering posts.

This is why Gameplay+ doesn't have downvotes because the mods already filter the things that get to be posted there.

I can't say I agree with this usage of Upvotes/Downvotes. I want to Upvote something because I agree with it, not just because the guy who made it had more than 3 paragraphs of text and some bullet points.

ModUlanopo11/6/2018, 1:49:28 PM4 votes

Just because something isn't "realistic" doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Eleshakai11/6/2018, 1:16:21 PM3 votes

I mean upvote and downvote is a tool for us to decide which posts we like. I've downvoted posts I agree with because they were phrased in an insulting or awkward manner, and I've upvoted posts that I disagreed with because I felt the person making them does a good job of making a valuable point.

It sucks that so many people, on so many services, are incapable of valuing things they disagree with.

GreenKnight11/6/2018, 11:21:58 PM2 votes

Well, that's what happens when you rip off reddit.

R107 Games11/6/2018, 9:09:35 PM1 votes

Just going to leave this here:

Downvoted are for:

  • unconstrictive comments.
  • comments that are toxic
  • Incoherent blather
  • factually wrong statements
  • Uselessly off-topic comments

Downvotes are not used for disagreement.why? Becuase:

  • it ruins discussion
  • it can unjustly make someone feel unwelcome
  • it can bring good posts down
  • it promotes "hive mind" mentality (you can see this firsthand on this board actually)

I mean, why do you think gameplay+ removed downvotes!?

Downvoting just for disagreement does more harm than good. Its like people forget downvotes effectively bring a comment down or make it "thresh hold". How the fuck does a person deserve that just because you simply disagree with him??

This thread should help: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/36m9ks/why_is_the_downvote_button_not_the_equivalent_of/#ampf=undefined

Its like you guys trashed the intended use of Downvotes just because you can't handle someone having different opinions.

Downvotes are not meant for disagreement,period.

Also:

its common sense. why would downvotes be for disagreement when it litteraly moves comments/posts down while possibly making it "thresh hold". You really think someone deserves that just because they posted an opinion you don't like?

This is a forum that's meant for discussion. And everyone downvoting because of disagreement completely counteracts that.

Here's people opinions: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WLKecAF9-why-are-downvotes-disabled-in-gameplay

Let me give you some quotes:

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You can explain why you despise something rather than doing a quick zero effort downvote. Mass downvotes completely shut down discussion because the comment gets hidden and pushed down, so why should honest discussion have that?

{quoted}

But that's not what downvotes are meant to do, even though most people use them that way.

Showing disagreement without any explanation as to why you feel that way doesn't help anyone. Discussions require constructive feedback. Sure, Zoe is controversial at best, but what do you think will actually help to resolve her issues? A mountain of contextless downvotes or comments explaining why it feels frustrating to play against her?

{quoted}

No, in fact, that's the exact reason they're disabled. Voting is not " I agree with this ", voting should be used to show you think a post is well written (or not). Unfortunately, having downvotes enabled on G+ would hinder that use of voting as people would dislike a well written and logical idea just because they personally don't like it.

If you don't think a comment needs boosted, simply don't upvote it

There is a reason downvotes aren't allowed in gameplay+: Downvoting has been disabled Due to the thread review process, downvotes will be disabled. Downvotes are, arguably, intended to filter out content that doesn't foster meaningful discussion; however, the approval process will serve this purpose instead, removing the need for downvotes.

This forum is meant for discussion. Downvoting for disagreement is detrimental to that.

^ This is my view on downvotes.

To summarise: downvotes solely for disagreement is detrimental in a discussion board. You should not downvote just for disagreement.

Mcsquzzy11/7/2018, 1:17:42 AM1 votes

honestly i either upvote or move on, or downvote if necessary to maintain jhin meme perfection

mlm olo mlm11/8/2018, 5:19:15 AM1 votes

Riots website, Riots rules.

doiminat0r360011/11/2018, 6:14:15 PM1 votes

for example, i'll always see "upvote/downvote" as "i agree/disagree with this" based on how people use them on twitter, reddit, youtube, etc.

Almost all of these sites have an eddiquette system in place. On reddit, it's Reddiquette. On Twitter, there is no downvote and on youtube, downvotes do nothing.

The original purpose of the upvote/downvote system was to promote what was starting conversation and suppress what was trolling/useless to a conversation. That's how nearly every site is intended to use it and how nearly every site has for a long time

saltran11/6/2018, 2:01:48 PM1 votes

I downvote the vast majority of the coments and specially threads because I find these comments/threads not being more than salty circlejerk about how bad the game is, how weak mages are or whatever stupid thing they find funny to cry about.

La Belle Sauvage11/6/2018, 4:19:03 PM1 votes

Up and down votes should be removed in my opinion.

The Highest Noon11/6/2018, 4:21:46 PM1 votes

So, I was just about to make a post about this but I still may anyway:

Remove downvoting entirely. What's the purpose of it aside from the basic "I don't like this" button? Voting shouldn't be a matter of preference, it should be a sign of whether or not a conversation should be had. I perused the boards throughout the day some time ago to see what people were talking about lately, and every time I saw a severely downvoted post or comment it wasn't because of the conversation made but it was either trolling the poster or because someone had a different opinion.

Ex: "Ahri shouldn't get another Popstar-related skin" downvoted to oblivion by people who want Ahri to have millions of skins because she's their favorite champion.

What removing the downvoting option solves? If you don't like something, it's reflected in you not voting on it. If you think a topic or comment is worthy of looking at or considering, good news! You can upvote it!

FCJAAAAGOOOO11/6/2018, 8:36:01 PM1 votes

Clearly you've never been on Reddit. They pull this too LOL