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mlm olo mlm·1/18/2019, 4:04:59 AM·3 votes·4,636 views

Wuks (NA) ?Today at 1:42 AM

It looks like you're in a new game Ping me when you're available

mlm olo mlmToday at 1:42 AM

hello

Wuks (NA) ?Today at 1:43 AM

hi

mlm olo mlmToday at 1:44 AM

if you don't mind, would you start by explaining what exactly is the current situation. I am confused where I actually stand at the moment.

Wuks (NA) ?Today at 1:48 AM

you pinged us what

mlm olo mlmToday at 1:48 AM

i would like my forums ban removed

Wuks (NA) ?Today at 1:48 AM

no thank you good bye

mlm olo mlmToday at 1:48 AM

um please i have riot keyru screen shot

ClydeBOTToday at 1:48 AM

Your message could not be delivered because you don't share a server with the recipient or you disabled direct messages on your shared server, recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends, or you were blocked by the recipient. Only you can see this — delete this message.

(P.S. I did manage to get the punishment de-escalated after hours of waiting and remaining calm while being threatened.)

This is NOT a shame thread. This thread is highlighting an actual problem with the system. Please discuss how to IMPROVE the system.

Random half-thought-out suggestions to get the thread moving:

Less moderator "power". Can't abuse powers you don't have.

More diverse moderator "culture". Get some "non-band wagon" opinions.

Some sort of public accountability for moderator actions. Reporting misbehavior to the one misbehaving is not going to work. They will just delete the evidence while the public is left completely clueless.

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ModThe Djinn1/18/2019, 2:24:46 PM8 votes

So I looked into this for you. There are a few things here. I'll start with the our-fault stuff:

  • That was definitely too blunt of a dismissal: if you're pulled into a pullroom, you should at least get a reason for why you are being removed. I'm going to inquire about that.
  • You did receive a message from a moderator that included a punishment but said it wasn't one. That's a copy/paste error on our end, ultimately, but I think we should respect the message we send.
  • You did apparently receive a heads up that the punishment would be reduced, but it was not. I'm going to try to find out why, 'cause that's a big miss and I don't want that to occur again.

That said, you're slightly misrepresenting the situation here. I'm not finding any record of threats aside from a request to stop pinging the board-violation-inquiries channel repeatedly. (Addendum: I was mistaken here). Doing so can indeed be grounds for removal from Discord, whereas waiting will let someone get around to you when they are able (we're a volunteer team, and this is why it can take a while to get through to someone -- we all have other jobs or responsibilities). You can also always specifically request escalation to a Herald -- this punishment was overturned with our input once we were aware of the entire situation, and almost certainly would have been sooner had we been made aware of it here or on Discord. My Discord messages, for example, are always open. Specifically requesting one of us lets us know there may be some complicating factors and we should handle it personally.

But yeah -- ultimately, this was a miss on our end due to a few mistakes that all slipped through in one case. My apologies for that. That said:

Less moderator "power". Can't abuse powers you don't have.

We couldn't do our job with less available powers, and the Herald team and Riot both serve as oversight to monitor potential issues. I have not yet see an "abuse of power" that we haven't handled though -- often things that someone considers an abuse of power is just an honest mistake, a miscommunication, or, frankly, them disagreeing with a rule.

More diverse moderator "culture". Get some "non-band wagon" opinions.

We have a lot of that, actually. Internal debates on a number of topics are fairly lively and opinionated. Simply because we tend to try to enforce rules the same way doesn't mean there isn't a diverse culture, or disagreement about some of those rules. This is true at all levels of the team, from the moderators to the Herald team.

Some sort of public accountability for moderator actions.

The problem here is that people normally want to see punishment (which we can't really do, as we're a volunteer team) or for people to be kicked off the team (which we don't do for minor mistakes). Public announcements of internal discussion/conversations/warnings aren't productive either, as they just create a naming & shaming situation and make every action that moderator takes suddenly be contested, even when perfectly acceptable. There is internal accountability and sometimes accountability on the boards (people can make threads here, for example).

Reporting misbehavior to the one misbehaving is not going to work.

Again, feel free to tag in @Herald specifically. We do investigate everything brought to our attention, and we don't have a uniform opinion, so we discuss anything that looks controversial. It's our job to provide oversight for the rest of the moderation team, and we have frequently overturned punishments we have deemed incorrectly applied, and have had conversations with moderators about any problematic patterns we see in their actions. If the issue is with a Herald in particular, we defer to the rest of the Herald team and pull in our Riot contacts.

They will just delete the evidence while the public is left completely clueless.

We don't actually delete evidence, save when cleaning up #board-violation-inquiries as is normal for that channel. All other Discord content is preserved, and all deleted threads remain visible to the entire moderation team and Riot, and we're not okay with legitimate concerns presented in appropriate manners being removed.


In short, we acknowledge that moderation is not (and never will be) perfect or 100% consistent. A team of humans never will be, and a team of volunteers makes it even harder to reach perfection. We're happy to take critique and feedback, but I do think the accusations of deleting evidence and abusing power you lay out here are misplaced.

Deep Terror Nami1/18/2019, 4:19:58 AM8 votes

Was there a reason this was done in DM's instead of on the Mod Discord's appropriate channels?

EDIT: Unfortunately it appears that the bot message you receive from typing in a chat room you no longer have access too, and that which you get when DM'ing someone who blocked you or has DM's closed to non-friends, are the same.

rujitra1/18/2019, 5:22:42 AM5 votes

Then why did you not follow the instructions in the discord to have the conversation recorded in the discord, and you instead decided to go through DM?

Jo0o1/18/2019, 1:08:26 PM4 votes

They're people. When you spend 90% of your time insulting a group of people, don't expect them to go out of their way to be friendly to you.

Sukishoo1/18/2019, 2:52:06 PM2 votes

mlm olo mlmToday at 1:48 AM

i would like my forums ban removed

Wuks (NA) ?Today at 1:48 AM

no thank you good bye

Yeah that doesn't honestly look good coming from a moderation. They should always give some kind of reasoning rather than just that instant shutdown.

KFCeytron1/18/2019, 9:31:32 AM1 votes

Why do you care so much about a burner account whose only use is to criticize rules you ran afoul of? Just make another one; no biggie.

mlm olo mlm1/18/2019, 7:43:04 AM1 votes

Down votes and victim blaming. What a lovely inclusive environment.