A simple change to Ashe passive that would make it go from worthless (mid-late game wise) to decent

PaperMache7·May 2, 2014·4 votes·1,256 views

Instead of being a crit modifier it could be a total attack damage bonus on-hit (think Q).

It would start at 1.00 and scale up to a certain multiplier (w/e would be balanced, 1.50-1.75 would probably be around what's right).

In the early game there would be no difference, but you actually get items you'd still have a passive, considering that has almost no damage steroid next to other ADC's this would help her out.

17 Comments

ThalesMay 2, 20142 votes

It's problematic because it already scales with your crit. Focus doesn't start at zero stacks, it starts at a number equal to your crit chance.

UNST3RBLICHMay 2, 20141 votes

Can you explain why you think this passive is currently 'worthless' mid-late game?

aaronautumnMay 2, 20141 votes

I think the OP says it's useless because in an actual team fight you can't poke with a critical strike like you can in lane. The only time it would proc is at the beginning. Personally, I don't think it's a great passive but having a guaranteed critical strike isn't exactly useless.

UNST3RBLICHMay 2, 20141 votes

Hmmm...I think it's fine as it is. It's there to give some balance at the beginning of the game, but a damage bonus over a crit bonus mid-late game isn't really needed IMO. In team fights, a skilled Ashe can pick off people easily enough, especially considering the slow capability associated with her Q.

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

It's useless because late game you actually have crit so it doesn't do anything worthwhile for you.

UNST3RBLICHMay 2, 20141 votes

Maybe it's designed that way intentionally, though, so as to provide a decent early game use which levels out mid-late game.

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

I can hardly think of any passive that basically becomes nonexistent late game.

UNST3RBLICHMay 2, 20141 votes

It's only non-existent late game depending on what you build. You can build specifically towards crit. It's like Yasuo: you don't build crit on Yasuo because it's already provided with his passive. You build attack speed and damage.

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

What? Yasuo requires 2 crits items for his passive, the only reason you don't build anymore is because your crit is basically maxed at that point. With Ashe you could get a ton of damage and your passive would only ever help you on the first AA and you'd be pretty shit beyond that, it's a substandard build in almost all cases.

JingerbeardmanMay 2, 20142 votes

lissandras passive, xeraths passive, cho gaths passive, fioras passive, heimerdingers passive, lee sins passive, nidalees passive, nunus passive, shacos passive all game long, do i need to go on?

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

Most regen passives are terrible to begin with (probably phrased the earlier statement wrong, I was talking about a passive that goes from good to non existent), cho's is actually good, but although it's not good late game it's most certainly not comparable to Ashe's. Lee's still noticeable in 1v1. Nidalee's good all game long. Shaco's a notable damage increase all game long.

JingerbeardmanMay 2, 20141 votes

ashes passive is not as bad as you make it out to be, in later team fights her first attack always crits, tie that into statikk shiv and thats bonus damage to 4 ppl.

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

If she's building decently chances are she'll crit anyway.

Peacemaker9669May 5, 20141 votes

Late game, having your first attack crit is huge because crit can be a little unreliable since it is a chance that it will crit instead of having a guaranteed crit. For example, getting maybe 2 crit attacks off in 5 autos than 1 in 5 autos. Also, Ashe provides a lot of utility to her team, so if she had a damage steroid, she would be borderline broken. Plus, her e passive gives her extra gold when she last hits, which means she can theoretically get her items much faster than most ADCs. So, it might not be a huge game changing passive, but I think it's pretty fair to keep her balanced. Her passive is really good to harass and zone out your opponents too if you can maintain it properly.

Only Play NidMay 2, 2014

that first dmg multiplier would make a difference. Think about it. 70ad base, first auto, before resistances, 123, volley, 3rd auto. That´s probably a little over half your HP by herself.

PaperMache7May 2, 20141 votes

So exactly like it works currently?

Only Play NidMay 2, 20141 votes

I have downs. You´re right.