Shen's Q and Hail of Blades

Sire Hippington·1/17/2019, 4:25:24 PM·62 votes·17,955 views

Shen's empowered AAs from his Q do not trigger hail of blades.

If you press Q and then attack a champion with hail of blades ready, the expected result would be to get the HoB AS boost for the 3 empowered AAs, and that is how it worked till HoB was changed a bit, i guess it now sees all his Q-AAs as AA-resets. However, atm you don't get the AS boost from HoB for you're empowered AAs, but instead it triggers on the next normal AA **after **the Qs.

17 Comments

Hotarµ1/17/2019, 4:36:05 PM14 votes

I knew something felt off about Shen. I tried this in an ARAM and it felt so bad but I couldn't tell what it was.

Here's video proof for anyone who actually wants to see it in action. After normally AAing on the target dummy, my AS goes up to 1.47. When using the empowered Q, it rises to 1.08, then afterwards Hail of Blades will kick in and go back up to 1.47.

https://streamable.com/oetor

Shen MD1/17/2019, 8:47:37 PM9 votes

I wrote Meddler yesterday about it in the dev corner, the comment was buried, but this needs traction.

Let's fix this bro!

MankeyMadness1/17/2019, 10:20:58 PM3 votes

HoB seems to ignore empowered autos in general RekSai Mordekaiser for instance Could be the unique animations as Ryden pointed out.

Wonder how it works with Cait headshots or Cho E

Unemployed Ninja1/18/2019, 6:47:20 AM2 votes

I've brought this up multiple times over the last month or two, but no one has taken notice. It's really annoying, I'm glad this thread is getting some traction.

Hethalean1/17/2019, 4:35:10 PM1 votes

More quality Riot code. lol That's... weird. I remember HoB used to work with Shen lol
Makes me wonder if you Vayne tumble, and AA ... will that empowered ability proc HoB or do you need to aa with a regular attack.

LazyW0lf1/17/2019, 7:55:01 PM1 votes

Seems like it's somehow classified as a spell instead of a basic attack. Does this work the same way with Malphite W? That acts similar to Shen Q.

Judging by how the keystone specifies that it only procs on Basic Attacks, there might be some inconsistencies when it comes to duration based auto buffs and AA resets, something like Xin Q/Malph W/Mundo E may not proc the keystone but instead will extend the duration.

Modl Ryden l1/17/2019, 9:32:48 PM1 votes

A key thing to note about the recent changes to Hail of Blades is that HoB does not count attack resets towards its 3-attacks-only counter.

What constitutes an attack reset?

From my experience, an attack reset is basic attack performed outside of the tempo given by the champion's attack speed. Methods of performing attack resets have generally been using ability after a basic attack where you can basic attack again afterwards.

As strings of basic attacks work, they perform at the tempo given by the the champs attack speed. You can interrupt this tempo or string of attacks by using an ability of any kind. After the ability is done channeling or resolving, the tempo of basic attacks resume. Therefore, performing an attack immediately after an ability is what I've come to find is a basic attack reset. Not that this is my finding but this is just how I can best explain it.

So what happens with Shens case?

In Shens case, activating Q will not reset his attack timer since he does not gain the buff until his Spirit Blade lands at Shens location, after which WILL reset his attack timer in order to perform new attacks. During his expenditure of each stack of his Q buff, regardless of whether or not his Spirit Blade passes through an enemy champ, uses a different attack animation for each swing. So I presume having to use a new attack animation serves as having to reset the attack timer, thus performing 3 attack resets in a row in the tempo of how fast Shens attack speed is. Thus never proc'ing HoB and never consuming HoB stacks.

Ashe mage AD8/29/2019, 7:58:49 AM1 votes

7 months later.. still the same, wtf? Srsly Riot?

Vlada Cut1/18/2019, 9:46:55 AM1 votes

Wtf? That's stupod, is that intentionak or a bug?

xDogMeatx1/18/2019, 12:21:27 PM1 votes

well have u tried aaing 1st then q then profit attack speed?

hhaavviikk2/5/2019, 9:12:27 PM1 votes

still not fixed in the latest patch, I felt stupid taking this on shen in ARURF and wonder why hail of blades never seemed to activate...

AS I LAY FEEDING1/18/2019, 1:34:00 AM

Shen Q is potato, only reason why he is somewhat viable now is because of shield bash. And not picking resolve as main rune path is a bad idea.